EESA 2010 Charity Match Open...now with shirts!

It has nothing to do with that. A theory that was put forth is that people weren't coming because of $25. If that is the case, they should stay away. I would be more worried that they couldn't feed themselves. Costs are the same for ammo and fuel regardless of the cost of the match. Sorry for thinking that others shouldn't be spending their money on a hobby or a charity if $25 is going to make a big difference to them!

It has nothing to do with pride for me! The level of work and commitment are so much higher for doing Lvl 3 from lvl 2 is huge! I see no point of going through all of that if there is going to be poor attendance. I/we do appreciate the shooters that are attending, and appreciate their support, of that there is no doubt.

I guess my problem is I become to personally invested in these things. I should just keep myself removed, and then it wouldn't upset me. Someone else will do it!
 
$$ does affect decission

bottom line is that many shooters love shooting and can't afford too much ammo and match fees and travel.....but they try to come out and shoot as often as they can afford.
Then don't want to just holster the gun for good cause they can't come out as often as they'd like...
the cost of matches do need to be appropriate to cost and effort put into the set up of the match and extra for charity, etc...so I'm sure it's hard to pic a $ figure....

I'm 100% sure the cost is the issue....not to suggest you're asking too much, but simply the amount is just out of many peoples range....
If they specifically choose 2 or 3 matches to go to in a year, then can budget for the top matches to attend... but if they want to go out as often as they can squeeze in, they be thinking...hmm. my budget is $445 for matches this summer, so is that 7 level II's 4 level I's and one level III or 3 level III's and 3 level I's.....
so in the long season of shooting, one does have to budget themselves accordingly....
and I'm guessing a good % of us probably exceed that budget cause we love it so much....

I know first hand....ever since in ipsc 1995, I've been financially challenged :) :-( ...
otherwise, I'd be practicin 1000rnds per week and going to all matches I could physically be at.....I'm already signed up for this match a while back, but probably would have waited till much closer to have funds available, if I didn't get a line of credit approved..allowing me to do so early.....If I had that earlier in the year, I would have shot EESA 3 gun...but had to miss due to lack of funds... :-( ... not crying for sympothy here, just being open to make point that many love shooting but cant make it out.

In short, your match fee may be very fair, but you would get more shooters signing up if it was less.... and leave the donation portion to the discretion of the shooter.

another way to see it is...what's better 110 shooters at $100 per or 160 at $75 per ?
Frontenac level 3 had low turnout as well, which surprised me, I'm sure $ made difference there too.
I've been to EESA matches and Know they rock and look forward to it...some new shooters are not aware and maybe iffy on it....

Any shooters on the edge about going and counting your $'s... go for it here, you'll have a blast and again, for good cause, you good deed of the year...

ps... anyone looking to buy/sell/lease commercial or residential real estate, give me a ring... i need more ammo :) :eek: ;)
 
Just a thought

Perhaps the match is running too long, from the 22-26th. Maybe during another time of the year it wouldn't matter.Just throwing that out there.
 
why ?

Tikkaboy said:
Perhaps the match is running too long, from the 22-26th. Maybe during another time of the year it wouldn't matter.Just throwing that out there.
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don't think so, what's going on this time of year to make difference ?
if early Oct. to mid Nov....then maybe hunting season would be in the way ?
I'm out of ipsc for 10 days in mid. Oct...
 
Shooters at FRPC Matches

Summer Fun has been run over the last two years at the FRPC. The format is to have 120 slots over the weekend with Friday being the worker/RO day to shoot. Lunch and fluids are included as well as a take away for each shooter and plaques. Therefore the max number of shooters would be in the 140-150 range, depending how many workers/ROs shoot on Friday. We had 90 shooters the first year and 107 this summer, including workers/ROs. We try and put on a quality match that is well run as well as a pleasure and a challenge to shoot. Given the substantial increase in shooters over the two years the match has been held I suspect the word is getting out and we do not expect less shooters in 2012 when we reurn to our two day format as we are hosting the provincials in 2011.

For this weekend's match there are 60 slots and only 47 shooters signed up. The cost is $25 for 6 stages and 110 rounds. Using the logic displayed by some of you the Lvl II should be better subscribed but I have never had more than 53 shooters to a Lvl II since I have been Club Rep. I am positive cost is not the only factor shooters use in deciding to come to a match.

For what it is worth.

Bernie
 
Why you say that ??!!

Quigley said:
Bulls**t...you're just talking out of your ass :rolleyes:
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NO I'M NOT!

I'm, on multiple occassions, either over heard or part of conversation
of such issue and have heard the comments of price being an issue for shooters...So, you're calling those nice folks I was chatting with or over heard, ASS MOUTHS...cause it came out of their mouths....

and the recent poll started, though still early, alreadY shows most people think the fee shoud be ONLY $50 !!!!!!!!!!!!
which I think is low.... but some nice folk don't know all the effort put forward to have a level 3..
AND 2nd place is close race with $80 & $100 & more...
basically, overall $50 - $80.. is being favored

So, maybe you're thining out of you a$$ :p
 
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and the recent poll started, though still early, alreadY shows most people think the fee shoud be ONLY $50 !!!!!!!!!!!!
which I think is low.... but some nice folk don't know all the effort put forward to have a level 3..
AND 2nd place is close race with $80 & $100 & more...
basically, overall $50 - $80.. is being favored
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Most people....are you f**king kidding me? What....30 or so people think it should be less than $100. Someone of them are from outside Ontario ...some are not members of IPSC....so less than 30 GunNutz think the fee should be less. Not very scientific...

Disclaimer...nothing wrong with being outside Ontario...but we are talking about the EESA match, cost structures are not the same in every province...you get the idea...

Cost does not equal value...and round count (your second ridiculous post of the week) has nothing to do with quality.

Regardless....you seem to have no issues throwing numbers around...what do you have to back that up (besides being part of the conversation)? Anything??

Not happy with the cost? Don't go...
 
Quigley said:
Most people....are you f**king kidding me? What....30 or so people think it should be less than $100. Someone of them are from outside Ontario ...some are not members of IPSC....so less than 30 GunNutz think the fee should be less. Not very scientific...

Disclaimer...nothing wrong with being outside Ontario...but we are talking about the EESA match, cost structures are not the same in every province...you get the idea...

Cost does not equal value...and round count (your second ridiculous post of the week) has nothing to do with quality.

Regardless....you seem to have no issues throwing numbers around...what do you have to back that up (besides being part of the conversation)? Anything??

Not happy with the cost? Don't go...
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Chill.;)

Are you caring again?:confused:
Does that mean you are going to run for IPSC Ont. BoD?:stirthepot2:
 
I'm right, ? just to argue more....haha...Relax Craig

Quigley said:
Most people....are you f**king kidding me? What....30 or so people think it should be less than $100. Someone of them are from outside Ontario ...some are not members of IPSC....so less than 30 GunNutz think the fee should be less. Not very scientific...

1) I can only assume most replying to this topic are ipsc or maybe idpa, etc.. shooters, some may not,,,as you said and agreed, it's not science...
2) like I said, I've actually heard these conversations of such..I'm not making that part up...so, F'n yes..If i've heard it more than once, than its a freak'n fact...but to what % of shooters, i don't know, i didn't speak to all of them...


Disclaimer...nothing wrong with being outside Ontario...but we are talking about the EESA match, cost structures are not the same in every province...you get the idea...

- though in an EESA thread, I'm talking in general of matches... not singling this one out...

Cost does not equal value...and round count (your second ridiculous post of the week) has nothing to do with quality.

- I never said cost equals value... I said cost shold equal work put into match...but yes to value in sense of extra prizes , plaques tht cost money to buy, thus higher match fee to cover....
- and round count doesn't equal quality, I agree, but higher rnd. count, again, more value in sense that more shooting is always more fun... thus more value and again.. more target = more work and $$ to set up match...it's combo of more fun and more cost to set up, thus higher price for match...

Regardless....you seem to have no issues throwing numbers around...what do you have to back that up (besides being part of the conversation)? Anything??

- These #'s are my own thoughts...I'm more than confident they're fair, that why I gave wide range examples, leaving room for MD's to play with cost, values or whatever F'n reasons they want to !

- I didn't say my suggestion has to be accepted by the world ipsc body...just a suggestion.... WTF, I'm entitled....what's with the attack ?!

Not happy with the cost? Don't go...
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- I never stated anywhere that I was upset or complaining about the costs ? did I ? only making friendly statement and suggestion re: the topic...and I do shoot most matches I'm able to attend...

I mentioned in there, I had to miss match due to lack of funds, I never said it was because it was too high !!

Read my post more clear next time.
 
Quigley said:
...and round count (your second ridiculous post of the week) has nothing to do with quality.
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I would disagree with this.
While high round count does not always translate directly into quality, but for people to enjoy the match it needs to have certain volume.
How many people would say "we just shot a great 90-round L3?"
 
EESA 2010 Charity Match

Play nice kids.

The title match is a charity match put on by a club and an MD that work tirelessly supporting the shooting sports and IPSC. Any one who is unable to attend, for whatever reason, should at least consider making a donation.

EESA deserves all the support we, the IPSC community, is able to give. If, in this particular instance, all you care about is the cost and the round count then f*ck you very much and have a great day, somewhere else.

All this negativity, hand wringing, pissing and moaning is beginning to aggravate me.
 
aaahhh probably

johnespos said:
I would, that is if he runs.:p We may just get things back on track with IPSC ON.:eek:
OOPS did I say that out loud.:evil:
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Yah, I probably would again too... then email him my suggestions on how a match should charge $0.25/ paper tartget and $0.50/ popper additional $0.20 if paper is swinger/slider.....and make it a science... :):):eek:;):)
 
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