That's not a bad idea, with the new generation of "hug it out" types that like door prizes as opposed to prize tables. You don't gave to work hard or accomplish anything , just tell us how you'd like to score and we can all group hug and feel good about ourselves.
Match result wait times
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I would need more good looking girls to shoot this sport in order to participate in the group hug thing.
For now, how about we stick with the handshake. This serves me well because I can show affection in a manly way and crush the hands of competitors that I may want to win against.
Most of us know you, trust me you have a long way to go before anything you do is considered "manly"...lol
You know guys like you and I are sensitive to that kind of talk.
Stop it now you silly boy, all that is important is that I think I am manly.that is when I am on top.It's a long complicated process involving quantum physics and ritualistic animal sacrifice....seriously!
The process is a bit detailed, your best bet to learn scoring is to volunteer at the next match to help the scorekeeper and see the system from start to finish.
The process is a bit detailed, your best bet to learn scoring is to volunteer at the next match to help the scorekeeper and see the system from start to finish.
Here in BC someone sits in a little room entering the data as its brought to them from each stage. At some point they double check their data, I believe with a helper. Then they post verification sheets, then they post finals or awards are given and finals announced during that time.
In Ontario, it seems, they throw them in a bucket and it gets entered a couple days later. Or something like that.
In Ontario, it seems, they throw them in a bucket and it gets entered a couple days later. Or something like that.
In Ontario, it seems, they throw them in a bucket and it gets entered a couple days later. Or something like that.
It is more complicated then that.
After they are entered, they sit in there for a couple days and at some point they sent to PH Racing... I am not sure what he does with them, but after some time, he forwards them to euxx who posts them to the IPSC Ontario web site (if he receives them at the evening, they are sent within a few hours, but morning stuff may have to wait till the evening).
Sort of off topic, but how do the results get to the persons who handle the stats, and how are the classifications adjusted in Ontario?
In BC, the process is:
1. Stats are collected at the stages
2. Friendly, yet under appreciated gnomes locked in "the small room" slavishly bang away at keys entering stats into WinMSS
3. Said gnomes recruit well meaning, but oft innumerate trolls to help compare the scorecards with verification sheets
4. Stage results are posted at the match if anybody's left to see them.
5. The chief gnome is in charge of uploading the stats to the IPSCBC website using a web form.
6. Everybody rejoices as the stats are magically posted to the Internet.
7. IPSCBC's stats person takes the file, rams it through another webform that updates the classifications online for people, recalculates team standing for the year, and sends a list of any classification changes to his mailbox.
I often wonder what other sections do for stats, because it seems that pdf's are their preferred formats for posting results, but these do not lend themselves well to importing into a program to track match results.
In BC, the process is:
1. Stats are collected at the stages
2. Friendly, yet under appreciated gnomes locked in "the small room" slavishly bang away at keys entering stats into WinMSS
3. Said gnomes recruit well meaning, but oft innumerate trolls to help compare the scorecards with verification sheets
4. Stage results are posted at the match if anybody's left to see them.
5. The chief gnome is in charge of uploading the stats to the IPSCBC website using a web form.
6. Everybody rejoices as the stats are magically posted to the Internet.
7. IPSCBC's stats person takes the file, rams it through another webform that updates the classifications online for people, recalculates team standing for the year, and sends a list of any classification changes to his mailbox.
I often wonder what other sections do for stats, because it seems that pdf's are their preferred formats for posting results, but these do not lend themselves well to importing into a program to track match results.
Most of the PDFs work just fine. The exception is ones produced with MinMSS versions between 6.0 to 6.0.6, but it seem like been fixed in version 6.0.7.
So, I strongly advise gnomes dealing with the scores in Ontario to update their software as soon as possible or better, submit the TXT results instead of PDFs.
Anyways, the automated Ontario classification system will be fetching results directly from the Ontario web site and recalculate classification based on the member's database also taken from Ontario web site.
Here in BC someone sits in a little room entering the data as its brought to them from each stage. At some point they double check their data, I believe with a helper. Then they post verification sheets, then they post finals or awards are given and finals announced during that time.
In Ontario, it seems, they throw them in a bucket and it gets entered a couple days later. Or something like that.
As Quigley said, it isn't comparing apples to apples for how we do it out west versus Ontario. However, there is still nothing stopping matches in Ontario from doing what Slavex said, which is also exactly how it is done in Alberta. We view stats as being just as important as having C/RO's at each stage. We always squad two people for stats, one to collect sheets, one to enter, and both to do verification. I have yet to see or understand a valid reason for stats not being done immediately after a match (and we enter then the old fashioned way, not by using hand helds).
What you also have to remember is that in BC (or so I'm told) it is mandatory to work the match. You shoot half a day...and work half a day. I know a few other sections also do this.
50 shooters...50 workers. In that scenario it would be very easy to find enough horsepower to do stats on the spot.
Not so in Ontario...working is optional...and we are usually in short supply. Most people who shoot early in the day are not even around when stats would be posted at the end of the match.
As said..this is for L1 and L2 matches. For Level 3 matches, stats are posted within an hour of the last shot...
50 shooters...50 workers. In that scenario it would be very easy to find enough horsepower to do stats on the spot.
Not so in Ontario...working is optional...and we are usually in short supply. Most people who shoot early in the day are not even around when stats would be posted at the end of the match.
As said..this is for L1 and L2 matches. For Level 3 matches, stats are posted within an hour of the last shot...
Correct, in Alberta it is mandatory to work (as it in B.C. if I remember right, pretty sure we both do it the same way). So it's definitely not an apples to apples comparison.
Yes, it was a while back I asked (2-3 years ago?) The idea was to take the signed up shooters from ipsc-matches and populate the winmss match record, with names, divisions, power factors, etc.
If we can do that, then you, on the receiving end, wouldn't need to worry (too much) about the different spellings of names, since a particular shooter would always be referred to by the name (s)he provided when signing up.
Now, as I understand, winmss has its own database of shooters, and then you assign shooters to a match (same way as what I do). If the database format is known, one thing which we could do is to have a download from ipsc-matches which creates the whole DB, just for that match - the users db and the match setup - everything already pre-populated. I'm assuming that winmss has the capability of opening/using different DB files, so the stats person could just open/load the one from the signup system, for that match, without affecting whatever existing shooter data he might have elsewhere.
Now, yes, there would be duplication, since, in essence, you'd be getting a new winmms db file for each match, but the alternative is to try and match what's already in the winmms file for that md/stats with the names in the signup system... I see you're doing that for your stats thing, but I don't want to bother doing that on my end...
re #####ing - well, remember this; you can say nice things 10 times, and ##### only twice, but it's the "ohh, he's #####ing AGAIN" sentiment will stick in memory, but people will forget the nice things. And I frequently see you complaining about things which aren't done quickly enough, well enough, etc - it's annoying, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks that, even if I tend to say it more.
So, it's great that you're helping with things like stats, but please be slightly more careful when expressing negative feelings about what others have done, are doing, or are not doing. You have no idea what kind of headwinds we had to fight through only few years ago when trying to introduce the most basic online features to ipsc. To have someone complain and ask why we aren't using the most current, latest features and technologies, it's, well, amusing at best and , well, you can imagine what that is as worst
