pillar bedded stock
- Thread starter hal1955
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What is it about the factory stock you want changed? LOP, an adjustable cheek piece, more/less weight, or do you just want a pillar bedded stock? Pillars can be added to any stock, so you don't "need" an expensive custom stock unless that is specifically what you are after. Speaking in general terms, the less expensive the stock, the greater the benefit of adding pillars.
Pillar bedding isn't a panacea. In fact I never bother with wood laminate stocks, I just have them glass bedded and some are glass pillar bedded.
I do suggest it is a good idea with composite stocks, but there are also some excellent bedding block systems out there that I would use above pillar bedding.
Whidden makes a very nice BB system for a Remington action.
I do suggest it is a good idea with composite stocks, but there are also some excellent bedding block systems out there that I would use above pillar bedding.
Whidden makes a very nice BB system for a Remington action.
I want a free floating barrel but the cheap stock on this gun cannot be free floated. The stock has 2 ears on the forearm that support the barrel to prevent the barrel from dropping down into the barrel channel. It is the worst stock I have ever seen.
Mystic Precision
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Clean with aerosol brake cleaner BEFORE sanding. Grind up the surface and if motivated, cut or drill shallow holes at various angles. quality epoxy steel WILL stick.
You can do some very nice work with these plastic stocks. are they perfect? No.
can they let your rifle shoot as well as it is capable? Yes,
Pillars are installed so that the action bolts do not squish the stock - no more no less.
If the stock is made from a compressable material ie composite, lam or natural wood- pillars are a good idea BUT they do not need to be these big hunks of steel. Thin tubing is more then sufficient.
Proper bedding is critical to holding the action and stock in the proper orientation. ALL factory stocks can use some help - your action bolts are not designed as load bearing devices. that is what your recoil lug is for.
For hunting, I actually prefer the factory plastic stock - at the least the Savage ones
Jerry
You can do some very nice work with these plastic stocks. are they perfect? No.
can they let your rifle shoot as well as it is capable? Yes,
Pillars are installed so that the action bolts do not squish the stock - no more no less.
If the stock is made from a compressable material ie composite, lam or natural wood- pillars are a good idea BUT they do not need to be these big hunks of steel. Thin tubing is more then sufficient.
Proper bedding is critical to holding the action and stock in the proper orientation. ALL factory stocks can use some help - your action bolts are not designed as load bearing devices. that is what your recoil lug is for.
For hunting, I actually prefer the factory plastic stock - at the least the Savage ones
Jerry
Sure it will hold in places like the recoil lug, where there are cubic inches holes to be filled, but where the bedding is skim (ie sides/rear of the action), even with presence of multitude of holes to give the bedding a grip and clean surface, it gave up after a couple shots. It doesn't really matter to me anyway since it is a hunting rifle and recoil lug, front of action and first inch of barrel's bedding is holding on, but on a target rifle it would bug me.
As to bedding compound I only use the Acraglass kit, which gave me awesome results with 4 other rifles...
And I know you're big into Savages but have you checked in depth the cheap synth stocks of the Rems? I would tend to think they are of poorer quality than those of Savage's
As to bedding compound I only use the Acraglass kit, which gave me awesome results with 4 other rifles...
And I know you're big into Savages but have you checked in depth the cheap synth stocks of the Rems? I would tend to think they are of poorer quality than those of Savage's
The synthetic stocks on most factory rifles are mediocre, that is why you pay 4-digit prices for the same rifles with HSP and Mac stocks .
Devcon compounds are perfect for these honeycomb synthetic stocks as it is liquid enough to fill the holes, binds to the composite and makes a non-shrink very solid bedding interface. JB weld is also good, but you need more than a couple of tubes. The result is not only a good bedding job, but mass to the stock itself, making it more rigid and solid.
On my hunting rifles and my varmint hunting rifles, i simply don't care. I leave the synthetic stocks alone and just shoot them. They are more than adequate.
Devcon compounds are perfect for these honeycomb synthetic stocks as it is liquid enough to fill the holes, binds to the composite and makes a non-shrink very solid bedding interface. JB weld is also good, but you need more than a couple of tubes. The result is not only a good bedding job, but mass to the stock itself, making it more rigid and solid.
On my hunting rifles and my varmint hunting rifles, i simply don't care. I leave the synthetic stocks alone and just shoot them. They are more than adequate.
Mystic Precision
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CE, My guess is that Acraglass is the problem.
Try the Lepages 2 syringe epoxy steel from Cdn tire, Rona, home hardware.
Or Devcon plastic steel.
These two stick really really well. So far, I have not had any delamination in many stocks and thousands of rds fired.
The material used in todays injection molded stocks is actually really strong and some companies use it very well. The factory stocks just don't have the structural design done properly to keep the forend as rigid as it could be.
Saying that, new stocks from Savage that I have played with are way stiffer then stocks even a few years back. For those that add the Accustock chassis, as strong as anything else.
Of course, the Accustock still needs to be bedded properly.
Jerry
Try the Lepages 2 syringe epoxy steel from Cdn tire, Rona, home hardware.
Or Devcon plastic steel.
These two stick really really well. So far, I have not had any delamination in many stocks and thousands of rds fired.
The material used in todays injection molded stocks is actually really strong and some companies use it very well. The factory stocks just don't have the structural design done properly to keep the forend as rigid as it could be.
Saying that, new stocks from Savage that I have played with are way stiffer then stocks even a few years back. For those that add the Accustock chassis, as strong as anything else.
Of course, the Accustock still needs to be bedded properly.
Jerry
if you only want to float the barrel just grind the ears off at the front of the stock. did it many times. for a hunting situation my plastic stocks shoot more than good enough. i agree bedding is not as easy with these plastic designs, but the stocks are durable for field use.
