Low-light shooting with an 858 (and other random observations).

Stevo

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We hit the range for a low-light shoot last evening. I learned a few interesting things. I was shooting my 858, there were a couple of AR's, an M14 and a Garand, too.

- The NEA Heavy Brake is a decent flash suppressor, too. It probably reduced the flash over a plain barrel by about 50% while the Hybrid cut it by 75%.

- The 10 o'clock position I had my light mounted with the barrel clamp was no good. It was fine for 25m with a reflective background (paper IDPA targets), but the glare off the front sight post made shooting farther or into blackness no good. I rotated it under to the 6 o'clock position like you are using and that worked much better. I had to engage the tail cap switch with a knuckle on my left hand.

- My 225 lumen Fenix light is only good to about 50m. I could engage targets 100m away, but only positively identify them to about 50m.

- The smoke from the Czech ammo is a real factor when shooting with a light. There was no wind and I had to wait a fair time for the smoke to clear so my light would illuminate downrange instead of the smoke cloud.

- My 858 with Hybrid flash suppressor had less flash than two different 16" ARs, one with a brake, and the other with an A2 flash suppressor.

- The OEM flash suppressor on a Norinco M14 is VERY effective. All we could see was a few small "sparks" come out the end.

- A .30-06 Garand throws a very nice fireball.:)

Next time I'll bring out my Vortex'd M14 and AR to see how well they work.

I'm going to paint the rear of the front sight on my 858 with matte black paint to see if that reduces the glare. I like the 10 o'clock light position much more than 6 o'clock.
 
Great post Stevo!

The smoke from the Czech ammo is a real factor when shooting with a light. There was no wind and I had to wait a fair time for the smoke to clear so my light would illuminate downrange instead of the smoke cloud.

Would moving your position help this or was the cloud so big that moving would be impractical?

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My 858 with Hybrid flash suppressor had less flash than two different 16" ARs, one with a brake, and the other with an A2 flash suppressor.
Not taking anything away from the Hybrid but the propellant used in ammo has a LOT to do with the flash produced. Did you try your 858 and AR without muzzle attachments to compare? If not that would be something to try for next time. Vids would be cool!

I'm going to paint the rear of the front sight on my 858 with matte black paint to see if that reduces the glare.
This is great feedback.
 
Thanks, guys.

Great post Stevo!

Would moving your position help this or was the cloud so big that moving would be impractical?

Good question, I'm not really sure how big the cloud was. No doubt you could move around it. You'd probably have to move at least 5 or 6 feet laterally or forward to get out of it. Like I said, it was dead calm so that caused the smoke to be pretty persistent.

Not taking anything away from the Hybrid but the propellant used in ammo has a LOT to do with the flash produced. Did you try your 858 and AR without muzzle attachments to compare? If not that would be something to try for next time. Vids would be cool!

I shot the VZ without a muzzle device, but the AR guys didn't have wrenches to take theirs off. I imagine the 12" CSA gun will throw much more flash from unburned powder. Given that all I shoot from my VZs is surplus, the powder type is what it is. No idea what the guys with the ARs were shooting. Video would be cool, but then someone doesn't get to shoot.;)
 
Next time you do a night shoot try 1 of these bad boy's out;
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You won't ever see a puff of flame ;)
 
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