Swiss arms barrel swap from restricted to non-restricted

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Does anyone know if you can put a 20.78 inch barrel on a carbine changing it from restricted to non-restricted? Also looking for a Non-restricted 1/7 if anyone has one to they wish to divest of. prefer the balance of the shoter handguards, piston length is the same.. like the look better too.
 
Can you? Yes.

Should you? No. Its not a simple case of swapping barrels.

What all is involved? do the gas ports need to be altered? Not interested in a complicated procedure as I don't care to mess with the engineering of the rifle.
 
Does anyone know if you can put a 20.78 inch barrel on a carbine changing it from restricted to non-restricted? Also looking for a Non-restricted 1/7 if anyone has one to they wish to divest of. prefer the balance of the shoter handguards, piston length is the same.. like the look better too.

Why not an 18.5" barrel on a SAN carbine? Sounds like a great idea to me. Please let us know what you find out.

On the piston lenght, how can it be the same? If the hanguard is longer, it's because the gas block is farther...
 
You can't put a rifle length barrel on a carbine gas system. It won't work. I asked around before because thats the route I wanted to take, but it can't be done. You'll just end up with a classic green thAt cost you over 4k!
 
Why not an 18.5" barrel on a SAN carbine? Sounds like a great idea to me. Please let us know what you find out.

I've already got that project on the go. Custom 18.5", 1/7 twist, 5.56mm NATO chamber, 1/2x28 threaded, non-restricted Swiss Carbine. As soon as it comes back from the shop, I'll post the details and pics.

For me the advantages over simply buying the full size was:

- Reduced weight due to shorter gas system and barrel length/profile
- Ability to use any AR muzzle device (Vortex)
- Reduced size and overall length
 
Canucklehead: But 18.5" is not SAN rifle length. It's much closer to SAN carbine lenght.

Angryeyebrows: Wow! Hope you'll get it soon!
 
I've already got that project on the go. Custom 18.5", 1/7 twist, 5.56mm NATO chamber, 1/2x28 threaded, non-restricted Swiss Carbine. As soon as it comes back from the shop, I'll post the details and pics.

For me the advantages over simply buying the full size was:

- Reduced weight due to shorter gas system and barrel length/profile
- Ability to use any AR muzzle device (Vortex)
- Reduced size and overall length

I'll second that motion ;)
 
You can't put a rifle length barrel on a carbine gas system. It won't work. I asked around before because thats the route I wanted to take, but it can't be done. You'll just end up with a classic green thAt cost you over 4k!

Why can't it be done?

The Swiss Arms sytems are not that finnicky to differing gas pressures. They only require a small amount of gas to work the action, all the rest gets vented out through a valve system. Hense the amazing reliblility. I have had the action cycle perfectly with only 2/3 of the required amount of powder in my reloads.

I'd imagine it could work with only a simple barrel swap. I'd throw in the full size gas regulator just to be on the safe side.
 
Why can't it be done?

The Swiss Arms sytems are not that finnicky to differing gas pressures. They only require a small amount of gas to work the action, all the rest gets vented out through a valve system. Hense the amazing reliblility. I have had the action cycle perfectly with only 2/3 of the required amount of powder in my reloads.

I'd imagine it could work with only a simple barrel swap. I'd throw in the full size gas regulator just to be on the safe side.

If Carbine length someone seeks, I'd say get a 18'' Carbine barrel & have a competent barrel maker to duplicate it, in 18.5'' of course...

Full length Swiss should remain the same as they are in the area of 19'' wihtout the flash hider.
 
Why not an 18.5" barrel on a SAN carbine? Sounds like a great idea to me. Please let us know what you find out.

On the piston lenght, how can it be the same? If the hanguard is longer, it's because the gas block is farther...

Pistons are the same length in the carbine and the classic green
 
Pistons are the same length in the carbine and the classic green

Wrong....the carbine gas piston/operating rod assembly is shorter than the one in the full length gun. I have several 14.3 inch barrels and their associated gas systems that I compared with a full length barrel and gas system, both of which I have on hand as spare parts. They are definitely different lengths.

Brobee
 
I'd go with the rifle length system. The carbines recoil is noticably sharper.
I'd also keep to a heavier profile under the handguards and out to the muzzle.
Due to the gas block the barrel will need to start life as a thick blank anyhow, so the combinations of lighting could be fluting, dimpling, etc.
 
Wrong....the carbine gas piston/operating rod assembly is shorter than the one in the full length gun. I have several 14.3 inch barrels and their associated gas systems that I compared with a full length barrel and gas system, both of which I have on hand as spare parts. They are definitely different lengths.

Brobee

brobee, 100% certain? I know the cqb is much shorter but seemed to me when I measure mine when they were apart the carbine rod and classic green rod were the same. Don't mind being wrong, but if I am it answers my original question and won't attempt it, I know the piton tube is longer but the pistion seemed to be the same length
 
I am 100% sure the full length rifle gas piston is longer.

Brobee

brobee, 100% certain? I know the cqb is much shorter but seemed to me when I measure mine when they were apart the carbine rod and classic green rod were the same. Don't mind being wrong, but if I am it answers my original question and won't attempt it, I know the piton tube is longer but the pistion seemed to be the same length
 
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