Does cartridge selection even matter these days?

I have a couple of 'primary' rifles I prefer for big game but I do have a 'few' others that, under some/certain conditions, may get called upon on occasion;). And, have a couple geared toward AB and pest control use. Beyond that and as partially a reason, I like reloading and shooting so the 'numbers' of rifles and variety of calibers of rifles, shotguns and handguns, keep me occupied.

Visiting our Daughter, Son In Law and Granddaughter in Sherwood Park :Dusually includes a 'shopping' trip to P&d and WSS.

I notice you're in the PPCLI. My cousin that lived in Ft. Sask., who recently passed away:(, had also been a member.

yup in the PPCLI may soon be in the New Zealand Army though hunting down there should be very good.

i also reload for my rifles i generally hunt with just my cz but i do love reloading and for fun i own 2 swiss k-31, 1 mauser k98 and a swede mauser milsurps which i enjoy hitting the gong way out there with and have a good time reloading for too but just love the comfort and familureness of my 2 designated hunting rifles my shot placement is always good and as for my tikka and 2 cz 22's there seeing a fair bit of action in the hands of the wife and kids, one day as a gift to myself i may buy a sauer or blaser rifle but not for a long time yet
 
It's never been about NEED..............

Absolutely!:)

This is more a comment on the "best cartridge for this or best all around cartridge" or whatever threads.

I very rarely "need" a 45 Colt rifle, a .303 British Ruger #1, a .260, a .375, a bunch of mid range cartridges etc....I could do it all with a 7RM or 300WSM.

Owning a bunch of different chamberings is lots of fun, though.;)
 
From a pure ballistics perspective, yes it is almost no matter what the cartridge is. But from a rifle-cartridge combo perspective there still seems to me to be a good reason for different cartridges. If you are going to have rifles for different tasks, then you might as well take the time to select just the right cartridges, no matter that the real-world differences are in fact small.

The other thing that the cartridges vary in that does still matter, I think anyway, is diameter. Without getting into a high velocity & shock vs. big slow bullet & big hole argument, people hunting in the woods where an animal may need some serious tracking even if it only goes 70 yards or so may very often feel there is a real advantage to a big bullet - maybe call it the 'post terminal' performance.

RG

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yes, I agree , I have a small case of this but only to improve accuracy, haven't "wanted" bigger or faster yet, Knock on wood!


Or has so little interest that he forgot where he put it.;) The best shots I know are enthusiasts.Enthusiasts are seldom happy with just one, and naturally drift over to bigger, faster, more accurate, nicer looking, classic or different.
 
Shot placement trumps cartridge selection..... ;) :p

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NAA.

Only if you are shooting a .270, but not if you are shooting a .30-06.

Doug
 
QUOTE=Gatehouse;4915870]Does it?
I don't even know why we discuss "what is best cartridge" anymore. They all work.[/QUOTE]

...say no more...our wives cannot know that we could all be one gun hunters.

In all honesty I have to agree with you...308 or .30-06 and you are done ..but where's the FUN in that? :D
 
The 6.5x54 M-S was used with great success over 100 years ago. It used a 160gr bullet pushed between 2200 and 2300 fps, and with that level of performance it was widely used in Africa before WWII on all sorts of thin skin game. And while the 7x57 isn't really a small bore cartridge, it's initial - and very usefull - loading of 173gr bullet at 2300 fps is considered anemic by today's standards.

........and then there are those who would use the 7x57 on elephant, after all it was Bell's caliber of choice. ;)
 
I have no issues with using a .223 with a good bullet for deer. Just be prepared to pass up some shots that you would be able to take with a .300 magnum....
 
I have no issues with using a .223 with a good bullet for deer. Just be prepared to pass up some shots that you would be able to take with a .300 magnum....

Oh ya of course, but some people think that since it is a .22 it would bounce off the deer. :p
 
I have a .300 win mag and that's what I use (only because it was a great deal on a quality rifle Tikka m695, It might as well be a 30-06 or .308). I grab that and a 24.99 dollar a box grey winchester 180 gr bullets and I'm good to go. There is nothing standing on solid ground in North America that it won't knock down. I would be just as confident with a .308 or
30-06 with this rifle. Simply because it's what I know and am comfortable with. :)
 
haha!

Clark,

The King is dead!
Long live the new KING......

7mm-08!


If you recall a few years back I had a thread regarding how the 7-08 was the *NEW* 30-06...;)

A 30-06 with 180gr-200gr cup and core bullets was long considered the "all around" cartridge. I tested the 30-06 with these bullets side by side with 7-08 and 140gr TSX bullet performance. The 7-08 witht he premiums did everything that the 30-06 did, plus more.

Anything a person would feel comfortable pointing a 30-06 with cup and core bullets at, they should feel comfortable with a 7-08 and 140gr TSX bullets...

And that, my friend is an excellent example of what this thread is about. Use good bullets and put them in the right place and forget about what cartridge the bullet was sittign in before it got fired into an animal!:cool:
 
I have no issues with using a .223 with a good bullet for deer. Just be prepared to pass up some shots that you would be able to take with a .300 magnum....

Or just about anything else starting at the 243 Winchester. I've shot deer with both the 243 and a 300 magnum and 10 out of 10 people witnessing the event wouldn't be able to tell me which was killed with what if their life depended on it. Cartridge selection often becomes a crutch for poor shooting, no two animals react the same to a bullet in the chest and the more game I shoot the less absolutes can be counted on.

Bullet first, platform second, cartridge selection tenth.
 
i gues most of the guys here have never seent he damage a 243 will do to a mooses ribs .i love my 264 win mag and would not be afrad to put it up against a grizz.222is plent gun for deer size animals .thats why thy made them in military cal for the ars and mini 14s lots of gun DUTCH
 
I'm still just Fudd enough that I wouldn't voluntarily wade into moose with either my 25-06 or 257 Wby, premium bullets or not. I'm sure that both would do the job if everything was right, but if the only shot you're presented with is a quartering shot I'd rather drive something more substantial through his ribs. TTSX, NPT, TBBC or not, there's some application to the statement "there's no replacement for displacement".
 
Yes it can be done with smaller calibers and I've voiced that previously. Very basically I would say the smaller the caliber, possibly the closer you would have to be and definately the more precise your shot placement would have to be. Now this is well and fine if you're hunting close to home on game you can usually get to see on a fairly regular basis. As example, hunting close to home for my Deer, using a bow, if I don't see one today within my effective range and broadside to allow me to effectively 'punch' both lungs, let it pass. Quite possibly I'll see one 'tomorrow.

I think, for me anyway, the situation changes somewhat if you've saved for a guided big game Moose hunt in Alaska that's going to cost you an arm and a leg. You come across a decent 60" Bull @ 150yds quartering away offering a slightly less than perfect shot. Do you stand there with your .243 in hand and watch it walk away or do you lift your 338 WM and take the shot??

Yes, under more ideal conditions a .243 would quite probably put it down but I've seen a guy, that's a reasonably good shot, hit two Moose using a 99 Savage 250-3000, and lose them both!

Going a step further, if I'm after something that has the potential of being a little more 'life threatening' like Bear, especially Grizzly, where the circumstances can go from 'sugar to s**t' in short order, I want powerful fire. I don't want a smaller caliber that'll trim fur. I want something more potent that can break big bone and hopefully anchor it, QUICKLY!I'm allergic to pain and have no inclination for suicide.

As I admitted earlier, yes, it is possible and here's two examples, that I've posted in past. Many years ago my Dad, varified by my uncle, shot Deer in an area west of Edmonton on more than one occasion, using a Cooey single shot 22LR. I could punch paper better than him but I'll never be the shot on game that he was. The picture is from the 30's and he isn't holding the Cooey.

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The second example is of Mrs. Betty Wendle from the Wells Barkerville area. She was well known for her exploits and success hunting Grizzly and her ability to do it, using a '99 Savage in 22 Savage High Power. Another with skills, abilities and intestinal fortitude that I and probably a majority of others will never possess.

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