Fake LaRue ***Update***

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I'm posting this info, so that other firearm/black rifle enthusiasts like myself don't get screwed out of money. I am a very careful buyer with regards to internet purchases and this is the first time I've been screwed out of money over the net. Here is the story:

So a while back I purchased a LaRue 9.0 rail system only to find out it was fake. Photo verified by the techs at LaRue and also against a legitimate sample of the real system.

I found this deal through the Fabsports website. There was a heading in the side menu that said "Free ads", under which was listed a few products. One being the 9.0 LaRue rail. Curiously enough, this section of the website has now been removed now.

I originally placed the order through the shopping cart system of the website and was promptly informed via email that if I wanted the rail, I would have to contact the seller. An email address for the seller was provided from Fabsports. Everything seems legit so far. An ad hosted by a reputable business on their website. What could go wrong?

So I deal with the seller. I send and EMT, he ships the package and when it arrives, I discover it's a forgery.

I immediately contact the seller and Fabsports with this information. Fabrice from Fabsports assures me he knows the seller and has bought stuff from him before and agrees to "help out". I post the info I have here on CGN to warn others about the fakes, and through this, discover two more gunnutz that got screwed as well.

The email for the seller goes dead and Fabrice keeps assuring me that he is trying to contact the seller. Week after week, numerous phone calls and emails later, there is no progress. Fabsports says they will contact the RCMP. I get an email from Fabrice saying he has made contact with the RCMP and that they are going to visit the seller. So I wait and wait and wait and finally, I decide to call the RCMP myself. The last contact I had with Fabrice and Fabsports was on Aug 30th. The RCMP contact Fabsports asking for the file or case number that was supposedly started and receive nothing. This leads me to assume there was no case started!

The police then put me in touch with the closest detachment to the seller (Lameque NB) and I start a file. After getting all the facts and a few phone calls, they inform me that in order for them to get involved any further, I have to prove the seller knew he was peddling fakes. Since I can't really do that, I'm pretty much left to civil court for which I would have to initiate a lawsuit in the sellers province! More expensive then the value of the rail!

There is now a disclaimer on the Fabsports website specifically regarding third party deals through the site. They will not accept ANY responsibility for anything, despite vouching for and hosting the ad on the site.

So my question to all you is, at what point should dealers be held accountable??

If there is any Gunnut that lives around Lameque NB and is willing to try and contact the seller for me, PM me and I will give you his address. This was the RCMP's suggestion.
 
angryeyebrows said:
So a while back I purchased a LaRue 9.0 rail system only to find out it was fake.
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Really sucks and I feel for you but you left out how much you paid for the item.

Was it a fraction of the LaRue MSRP or was it as expensive if not more expensive than the real thing?
 
G37 said:
Really sucks and I feel for you but you left out how much you paid for the item.

Was it a fraction of the LaRue MSRP or was it as expensive if not more expensive than the real thing?
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It was real LaRue prices for fake LaRue product. LaRue 9.0 is $273 US off the website and mine was considerably more then that.
 
Well first off Fabsports outright lied to you if I read this right and would say piss on them (falsifying an RCMP report). They don't have to help you out but it goes along way if they did and would look good on CGN. I had a dealer here in Sask pull some stupid sh!t and will never deal with them again, and I tell my many shooting friends who and who not to deal with.
Bad.. bad business when dealers are letting people peddle knock offs on their website and doing nothing to correct the situation. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Cheers!!
 
Sorry you got screwed dude. That totally blows.

Sadly, I have been wondering how long this has been going on up here with a number of tactical products resulting in the odd "dealer" passing off copies as legit kit, by accident or design. I am pretty sure I have had this happen to me with Eagle Industries gear. Much easier to copy though than something like a rail for sure.

I guess if it sounds to good to be true, suspect that it is!:mad:
 
I used to think Fabsports was good to go, and even defended them by keeping the company name out of my original post! Now I can honestly say I will not be dealing with them any further. It's too bad. I wish this could have been resolved quietly but it's time for folks to know all the players involved. Legally, Fabsports has no obligation to do anything, but from a business standpoint, doesn't make sense to piss off customers and throw away future business over a few hundred dollars. That's just my opinion!
 
Ok. You definitely got ripped off.

Can you not contact the RCMP Fraud unit and explain that you bought a counterfeit item from "so-and-so" and provide the information of the seller?

I would think Fabsports would provide that information once the police are involved. I don't think you need the seller to open an RCMP file, anyone can.

It's really too bad. I too think it would have been easier to return your money or give you a credit.

~cheers
 
G37 said:
Ok. You definitely got ripped off.

Can you not contact the RCMP Fraud unit and explain that you bought a counterfeit item from "so-and-so" and provide the information of the seller?

I would think Fabsports would provide that information once the police are involved. I don't think you need the seller to open an RCMP file, anyone can.

It's really too bad. I too think it would have been easier to return your money or give you a credit.

~cheers
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Fraud is hard to prove. In order for the police to build a case against the seller, there has to be evidence that he knew the product was fake. I have all his info, including his address and cell number. The police have the info too. There is nothing they can do.

Now it would be a different story if someone else called into the cops claiming they had been sold a knock off as well. The seller was informed by me that the parts were not genuine and is now aware. If he then continues to sell the knock offs to others, then you have fraud and the RCMP can charge him.
 
Thank's for listing the company & the full fact's including the person that sold you this so we now know this for future use that they are flake's.
 
You may not have a fraud case, but if a seller is claiming to sell a LaRue product, there may be a copyright case that can be proven against him.

Have you contacted LaRue about this guy? I know that from another company's perspective, if there's someone advertising or using the name of said company without authorization, they'll send the legal team in loaded for bear.

You may be able to (read as expensive) go after LaRue or FabSports directly and that would also force them to go after this fake guy.
 
Wow. Sucks to hear about it. It's a grey area whether or not Fabsports is responsible really. It's like buying parts in CGN and make the owner of CGN accountable. At least (I think) there are some enforcements for fraud in CGN.
 
scott_r said:
Well first off Fabsports outright lied to you if I read this right and would say piss on them (falsifying an RCMP report). They don't have to help you out but it goes along way if they did and would look good on CGN.
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This looks really bad on Fab if true (and by that I mean, when it comes to large bureaucracies, e.g. the RCMP, often the left hand hasn't a clue what the right hand is doing. So if Fab were to produce a case file # dated months ago? But otherwise....) :rolleyes:

I love the INTERNET! Thanks for the full report angryeyebrows! :D
 
It they were selling it new in Canada then they new it was fake as Larue does not import to Canada. As for dealing with fabsport, they won't be getting any or my money. RCMP won't chase this down, as its under $500 a commercial crime. They don't even follow up on $1M commercial crime deals, trust me, they don't, you got hose, and did the right thing by posting, hopefully it costs fabsport plenty so they make things right next time.
 
mebiuspower said:
Wow. Sucks to hear about it. It's a grey area whether or not Fabsports is responsible really. It's like buying parts in CGN and make the owner of CGN accountable. At least (I think) there are some enforcements for fraud in CGN.
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Kinda. Except with CGN any joker can post in the EE and you have a trader system to help aid in choosing who to deal with. CGN has a police of not involving itself at all in EE deals. I don't know how someone could post an add on a store's website? As well, you would assume an ad listed would be legitimate!
 
zxcvbn said:
This looks really bad on Fab if true (and by that I mean, when it comes to large bureaucracies, e.g. the RCMP, often the left hand hasn't a clue what the right hand is doing. So if Fab were to produce a case file # dated months ago? But otherwise....) :rolleyes:

I love the INTERNET! Thanks for the full report angryeyebrows! :D
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Well if there is a case number, he didn't give it to me or the RCMP constables who asked about it!
 
Thanks for the update. Sucks to be in your shoes. I wonder how many out there have fake stuff on their guns without even knowing it. Having a photo journal of how to spot fakes would be a bonus.
 
Angryeyebrows, I bought Larue 10in from Fabrice, called him up direct and he took my info. I think mine is legit, mine looks different than the pics you posted of your fake rail. What did the techs say the key identifiers were? Thanks
 
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