Jungle Carbine Question

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Hey all, I aquired a very nice jungle carbine from a fellow at a gun show a while ago. I bought it off him for cheap and I really like the rifle. The one hitch though is that it does not have the flash hider, which the guy I got it from said it was removed by a gun smith but basically was cut off just before the end of the muzzle. I am wondering if it is possible to remove the whole end bit and get an new one. Someone told me the two pins on just under the front sight post can be punched out to remove the whole end bit. Is this true? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks
GS
 
You can buy a flash hider for the L-E #5 if you are keen to restore it to its original military condition and admire it. But anybody who's fired one late in the day will tell you the flash hider doesn't hide the flash. Around dusk you can see about a 2 foot long flash of powder still burning after it has left the short "jungle carbine" barrel. If it's just a shooter then you can just enjoy shooting it as is. That is if you can enjoy shooting it with the standard issue butt stock and the standard "Ouch!" it gives you. You can spend your money where you want but I'd spend it on the other end of the rifle for a more comfortable butt stock. Any L-E #4 butt stock should also fit a #5.
 
carl gustav said:
You can buy a flash hider for the L-E #5 if you are keen to restore it to its original military condition and admire it. But anybody who's fired one late in the day will tell you the flash hider doesn't hide the flash. Around dusk you can see about a 2 foot long flash of powder still burning after it has left the short "jungle carbine" barrel. If it's just a shooter then you can just enjoy shooting it as is. That is if you can enjoy shooting it with the standard issue butt stock and the standard "Ouch!" it gives you. You can spend your money where you want but I'd spend it on the other end of the rifle for a more comfortable butt stock. Any L-E #4 butt stock should also fit a #5.
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A. The flash hiders don't always interchange between BSA (M47/C) and Fazakerley manufacture. Be careful!

B. The flash hider is intended to prevent the shooter from being blinded by the flash at night, not hide the flash from the enemy.

C. The powder in a .303 round is all burned long before it reaches the muzzle. The flash is caused by hot gasses lighting the oxygen in the atmosphere at the muzzle. Soviet M38 and M44 carbines produce a fireball with surplus ammo, and no flash at all with IMR4895. Many powders have a "flash inhibitor" added to them, which prevents flash.

D. The No.5 buttstock is fine, just stay away from the bench! They weren't made for bench shooting.
 
BUSHMAN79 said:
C. The powder in a .303 round is all burned long before it reaches the muzzle. The flash is caused by hot gasses lighting the oxygen in the atmosphere at the muzzle. Soviet M38 and M44 carbines produce a fireball with surplus ammo, and no flash at all with IMR4895. Many powders have a "flash inhibitor" added to them, which prevents flash.
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Interesting, do you know if H4895, H4198, or Varget have flash inhibitors added to them?
 
MapleSugar said:
Interesting, do you know if H4895, H4198, or Varget have flash inhibitors added to them?
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Couldn't tell you! I do know that 4895 produces little to no flash in my M38, but 3031 does flash a little bit. Nothing like the fireball from Soviet ammo, though! :ar15: Winchester 180gr. .303 doesn't flash at all in my No.5. It seems to me that rifles are more prone to flash in high humidity. On really dry summer evenings, even the M44 fireball is less pronounced.
 
BUSHMAN79 said:
Couldn't tell you! I do know that 4895 produces little to no flash in my M38, but 3031 does flash a little bit. Nothing like the fireball from Soviet ammo, though! :ar15: Winchester 180gr. .303 doesn't flash at all in my No.5. It seems to me that rifles are more prone to flash in high humidity. On really dry summer evenings, even the M44 fireball is less pronounced.
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Good to know, thank you!:)
 
Gunslingr said:
Hey all, I aquired a very nice jungle carbine from a fellow at a gun show a while ago. I bought it off him for cheap and I really like the rifle. The one hitch though is that it does not have the flash hider, which the guy I got it from said it was removed by a gun smith but basically was cut off just before the end of the muzzle. I am wondering if it is possible to remove the whole end bit and get an new one. Someone told me the two pins on just under the front sight post can be punched out to remove the whole end bit. Is this true? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks
GS
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The Numrich Arms replacement hider are made of some cheap pot metal like substance vs. the steel of the original. Not the greatest. Not sure how accurately they're made either, I had some fit problems with a bayonet I had. Nothing about it fit the bayonet.

Removing the old hider is a ##### too. I hope you have a lot of little punches. Remember that one pin goes through one way and the other from the other.
 
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cantom said:
The Numrich Arms replacement hider are made of some cheap pot metal like substance vs. the steel of the original. Not the greatest. Not sure how accurately they're made either, I had some fit problems with a bayonet I had. Nothing about it fit the bayonet.

Removing the old hider is a ##### too. I hope you have a lot of little punches. Remember that one pin goes through one way and the other from the other.
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Every one seems to be different. Some have tapered pins that both go from the same side, others two different ways. Some have the pins ground off flush after fitting, some don't. Some Fazakerley carbines seem to have bigger pins, too. :(
 
all good info guys, thanks. I am interested in bringing it back to mil spec. Its a real nice rifle and all matching too but its missing the darn flash hider so its not quite perfect. Oh well maybe ill just leave it as is.
 
Gunslingr said:
all good info guys, thanks. I am interested in bringing it back to mil spec. Its a real nice rifle and all matching too but its missing the darn flash hider so its not quite perfect. Oh well maybe ill just leave it as is.
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I don't blame you for wanting to fix it up, just letting you know what you're in for if you try. I wasn't happy with the quality of the hider from Numrich and with their extra charges for Canadians on top of the price...I doubt you will be either.

And, finding a good original hider is not common.
 
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