The big bad wolf is dead..

It should.

Is it legal?...YES

Has the Gov't determined that the population of said animal, is large enough to support hunting?...YES

Not interested in hunting a specific animal...fine, don't, but don't try to take that privilege away from someone else.

Because next year, it might be your favorite game animal that has its season closed, due to criticism/ lack of support.

Nice wolf. :)

First, thank you Ardent. People like you are one reason why some hunters can claim to be wildlife managers.

Second, when was I 'trying to take away a privilege'? I said that if there is an overpopulation or a healthy population, then hunting is fine. If there is an unhealthy or low population, hunting is not. If I lose the right to hunt my animal of choice because they are, as a species, not doing well, then so be it. Isn't that part of what makes us wildlife managers?
 
They are ignorant, and only want to see cows and herds of unchecked elk. Using them as an example just entirely undermined your argument.

Did you know, that since the reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone fish populations increased dramatically? The rivers have become deeper, less sediment laden (turbid, or muddy in layman speak), and are wandering less. Also, did you know, that for the first time in 50 years new Aspen stands are growing in Yellowstone? Why? Wolves.

The behaviour of ungulates changed with the eradication of wolves, and they started feeding on lush streambanks immediately, where in the past they had to avoid them. Streams are a favourite hunting ground for wolves, given they naturally attract prey due to water, and the stream course gives wolves long sight lines up and down the river to spot prey on the banks or crossing the river. The elk and deer ate all the bank supporting vegetation, and turned soil into mud with their hooves. The rivers soon widened, shallowed, and became more turbid, fish stocks declined. With the reintroduction of the wolf, the effects on streams are already being seen, they have cleared, deepened, and fish stocks have rebounded due not only to greater water depth and cleaner water, but they have bank cover once again from overhanging vegetation. In the flat, open streams they were "fish in a barrel" for the birds of prey.

The pure, simple fact is consequences go so much farther than what we think. I couldn't give two s**ts what a farmer in Montana thinks; he's wrong. The farmers there think the natural world that supports their livestock will run just fine without the whole gamut of species that represents a healthy ecosystem. They are woefully ignorant, and I'm hoping you as a hunter can see more clearly. The last people we want making conservation decisions are ranchers and back country bob. Thank goodness wolves are doing well, and I say this as a hunter and as a farmer, as farming is our family business (beef, and poultry). We lose calves to predation, and if we start losing full grown head, that's the cost of doing business in the natural world and so be it. Please don't pretend to speak on behalf of ranchers, unless you are one and I'm mistaken, feel free to correct me. The real world runs a lot deeper than you know.

As for sustainable predator harvest for pelts? Yessir, sounds good. I took this hybrid last year on our property, killed several of our goats. Such is life.

Well, that's very humble of you to place yourself as an intellectual superior to all famers in Montana.
Let's keep in mind that there is no wolf season in those areas (yes, it's closed again) and it is a federal offence to kill one, even in defence of one's property/livestock.
I have livestock and wolves. Fortunately, we are allowed to manage wolves in Manitoba.
To say they all want to see them eradicated is a generalization and quite frankly false. There are enough farmers in areas of Canada that would like to see Elk eradicated due to crop/hay destruction. I disagree with that train of thought as vehemently as eradicating the wolf.
 
I have no qualms being able to say I have a better understanding of wolves than a farmer in Montana; we have them here, always have. They haven't. Forgive me if I give the opinions of ranchers encountering natural predation for the first time little credit, and I must be talking out of my arse, or correction, "intellectually superior". :rolleyes:
 
First, thank you Ardent. People like you are one reason why some hunters can claim to be wildlife managers.

Second, when was I 'trying to take away a privilege'? I said that if there is an overpopulation or a healthy population, then hunting is fine.
If there is an unhealthy or low population, hunting is not. If I lose the right to hunt my animal of choice because they are, as a species, not doing well, then so be it.
Isn't that part of what makes us wildlife managers?

Maybe I misinterpreted your previous post...but either someone is supportive (or indifferent) of a legally sanctioned hunt...or they are as detrimental to hunting as an "Anti".

I totally agree with your above post.
 
I have no qualms being able to say I have a better understanding of wolves than a farmer in Montana; we have them here, always have. They haven't. Forgive me if I give the opinions of ranchers encountering natural predation for the first time little credit, and I must be talking out of my arse, or correction, "intellectually superior". :rolleyes:

A local farmer lost 28 calves to wolves last winter, that's about a quarter of his yearly income in cattle. Please spare me the "natural predation".

As for the "hybrid" you shot, I'm not sure what kind of wolves you have in Alberta, ours eat coyotes, they don't fornicate with them.
Perhaps it makes you feel better saying it was a "hybrid", not a wolf.

Many have a distinct dislike toward coyotes, yet they somehow always shelter the wolf. I have never understood that. Coyotes are actually more intelligent, at least from my observations and trapping experiences.

Regardless, I'll continue to do my best to manage the wolf and coyote population in my area. :D
 
Very Freudian of you. No, it was a hybrid, as determined by a trapper and CO, the first one I'd shot or seen. Note rust coloured patches all over the coat. The red wolf is a coyote-wolf hybrid, as well, recently proven through DNA.

I'll hunt anything that has a nice pelt and is sustainable, including wolf. I do NOT engage in extermination, such as the now common shooting of wolves and leaving them. They are more important than we know, and this is THEIR territory with our animals in it. Where are you located, and this farmer that lost 28 calves? Not ridiculing, genuinely curious where that was.
 
OK what I really want to know is where I can get a set of those lucky pants? Screw Cabelas and their freaking Scent Lock brand...

No doubt the wolf was so offended by your polyester baby blue with white stripes that he was stepping out to tell you off...
 
Park pants

I got them from Ricky at the trailer park.... Trever,Cory, Smokes !!!I am that guy that cant stop cracking up everytime a truck full of guys drives up and all of them are in full camo road hunting!!! You want to kill stuff get a pair of Nike track pants and grt off the road and in the bush!!! TRACK PANTS RULE!!!f:P:
OK what I really want to know is where I can get a set of those lucky pants? Screw Cabelas and their freaking Scent Lock brand...

No doubt the wolf was so offended by your polyester baby blue with white stripes that he was stepping out to tell you off...
 
Very Freudian of you. No, it was a hybrid, as determined by a trapper and CO, the first one I'd shot or seen. Note rust coloured patches all over the coat. The red wolf is a coyote-wolf hybrid, as well, recently proven through DNA.

I'll hunt anything that has a nice pelt and is sustainable, including wolf. I do NOT engage in extermination, such as the now common shooting of wolves and leaving them. They are more important than we know, and this is THEIR territory with our animals in it. Where are you located, and this farmer that lost 28 calves? Not ridiculing, genuinely curious where that was.

The area is in the Interlake of Manitoba. It's a common thing for farmers to lose cattle to wolves here, but in the last couple of years it has escalated due to an increased wolf population,the factors not completely understood. The moose population has decreased significantly in the more northern areas where the wolves traditionally hunted.
Our whitetail population was also at an all-time high a few years back, perhaps the wolves moved away from the moose areas after a population decline,started chasing the whitetail and now that they've declined, they're concentrating their efforts more on cattle.
The famers can get compensation, but they have to prove it was predators that killed the livestock, not just a case of predators feeding on dead livestock, which can be difficult to ascertain or prove at times.
Another factor is that trapping has all but died out, so no one is after wolves or coyotes anymore. Also, in the past, Game Wardens would use strychnine and cyanide to kill those wolves which had specialized in cattle as prey,however, this has now been banned for about 10 years or so.

Regardless of your views and background, it's obvious your primary income isn't from livestock production. If it were and you had the problems our local farmers have with wolves, you may be singing a different tune. Due to the overpopulation of predators, I will continue to do my best to reduce the numbers. At no time did I mention the term "exterminate".
 
That's a big one! I just seen one the other day while harvesting in a grain field. It was a big one too.....and it was the first one I've seen in about 15 years. I hear them howling occasionally along the N. Sask river at night but rarely see them.
 
I got them from Ricky at the trailer park.... Trever,Cory, Smokes !!!I am that guy that cant stop cracking up everytime a truck full of guys drives up and all of them are in full camo road hunting!!! You want to kill stuff get a pair of Nike track pants and grt off the road and in the bush!!! TRACK PANTS RULE!!!f:P:

That's hilarious...

My gramps used to hunt with a red dress shirt. He has a bear rug, I do not.
 
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