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308/7.62 Nato as a Main carbine??
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hey, Hey, HEY!, we're getting off topic here!.
While it is not my main carbine, I definitely use it, just not as much as my other toys until I get a reloader going in my basement:
"Jessica"- POF CQB 12"
I love almost everything about this rifle (other than the odd grip) It is very easy to shoot, recoil feels like a mild shove, and the cases fall in a neat pile over to the right about 4 feet away and 1 foot back consistently.
It took me about 20 rounds to get to this point at 50 yards (at which time I retired for the day as I was sighting in this, a Swiss Arms, a 9mm AR, and a Ranger II)
It shoots very well and definitely better than I can for now... I think the larger groupings are due to the fact of the Triangle post on the TR24. I am going to install a PRS stock to try and get a more consistent cheek weld and see if that helps.
By comparison, it took me about 20 shots to get here with my FrankenSwiss:
And here is "Iris"
My only complaint here is the mag release is a bit of a stretch to get to.
Other things I was working on that day:
It was a great morning
While it is not my main carbine, I definitely use it, just not as much as my other toys until I get a reloader going in my basement:
"Jessica"- POF CQB 12"
I love almost everything about this rifle (other than the odd grip) It is very easy to shoot, recoil feels like a mild shove, and the cases fall in a neat pile over to the right about 4 feet away and 1 foot back consistently.
It took me about 20 rounds to get to this point at 50 yards (at which time I retired for the day as I was sighting in this, a Swiss Arms, a 9mm AR, and a Ranger II)
It shoots very well and definitely better than I can for now... I think the larger groupings are due to the fact of the Triangle post on the TR24. I am going to install a PRS stock to try and get a more consistent cheek weld and see if that helps.
By comparison, it took me about 20 shots to get here with my FrankenSwiss:
And here is "Iris"
My only complaint here is the mag release is a bit of a stretch to get to.
Other things I was working on that day:
It was a great morning
I've got mine set up primarily for longer distances.
I haven't had much time (too busy with work) to get it out, only have a few hundred rounds through it. I'm gonna take it to OST's carbine course on Saturday and if there's any downtime, I'll put a few rounds through it.
I haven't had much time (too busy with work) to get it out, only have a few hundred rounds through it. I'm gonna take it to OST's carbine course on Saturday and if there's any downtime, I'll put a few rounds through it.
Only thing I need for the blaster is a MIAD, Pmags, and a SuperTap!
Missing good classes is the name of the game lately....
But I might be doing something different in the near future, which would make it a lot easier to get away for future classes. Here's hoping......
Missing good classes is the name of the game lately....
But I might be doing something different in the near future, which would make it a lot easier to get away for future classes. Here's hoping......
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This is why I run 7.62 x 39 out of my AR. Cheap as sin Although not inherently as accurate. I'm getting 1 moa ISH outta her
Although not inherently as accurate. I'm getting 1 moa ISH outta her 
BigUglyMan
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I'd enjoy picking up more 7.62 brass at the range but I'd pick up the 5.56 as well.
I like the idea of a 7.62 as a working cartridge better than the 5.56, but I lean towards the "bigger is better" school of thought. I'm waiting for a nice 308 black rifle in non-restricted trim to pair with my SAN.
I like the idea of a 7.62 as a working cartridge better than the 5.56, but I lean towards the "bigger is better" school of thought. I'm waiting for a nice 308 black rifle in non-restricted trim to pair with my SAN.
This is why I run 7.62 x 39 out of my AR. Cheap as sin
Excellent comment !
Just to add my $0.02 to what others have said - when your support arm is stretched way out in front like that, and you wrap your thumb over the top of the handguard you are recruiting a larger and (generally) stronger muscle group than you do in other postures. For me, at least, it locks the gun in tighter to my body and allows for slightly faster, crisper side-to-side transitions from target to target. You are creating a longer-limbed triangle between your primary shoulder, firing grip and support hand. That longer triangle is going to be a more stable platform than a shorter, tighter grip. Think of the advantage of a bipod mounted way out near the muzzle vs. one just forward of the action, as an example.
The trade-off is that it is a much more muscle-dependent firing position than others, and most people will probably find that their arms and shoulders will become fatigued faster using this method. Also, by using larger muscle groups you are trading a bit of fine-motor control for gross-muscle speed. Meaning that raw accuracy might suffer a bit as compared to another posture.
I'm a weightlifter and pretty wide across the shoulders and chest, however, so I have no idea if somebody with a different body type might experience different results.
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What about suppressing a target. Combat is more complex that simply shooting stuff. Sure you will probably have nuff stopping power to take him down in 1 shot. But what if he's behind cover/concealed and you have only a general idea and a limited plain of view? If your working solo I'm not sure how to handle this. But a team could suppress/set up a firebase while the other flanks/ maneuvers around while their heads are down due to a larger volume of fire. Even in a firefight. Shot placement counts WAY more than the power of the shot itself. I use 7.62 x 39 for cheapness. But an added benefit is that it can cause a hella lot more hydrostatic shock to a soft target (i know this for hunting purposes...of course.) consider how much ammo would have to be carried to successfully supress a target. Answer is ALOT.
mudgunner49
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And how do you like that optic - better the the Short Dot???!!! Anybody done a decent eval and write-up yet??
blake
You just put your finger on the complexities of choosing the right caliber. a 22 will be enough to suppress a target...make them keep their heads down and not shoot back.... I don't know the answer. Mind you you might also need less big loud bangs when suppressing a target. I here the 6.8 spc may be the way to go. solid brass bullets that are traveling at over 5ooo fps out of a 16 barrel are impressive. some of this testing is happening now and it may just be the answer. Small light super duper powerful bullet, solid brass so they don't spin apart at the speed they are traveling. found out they chrono faster out of a 1 barrel than 18 and are moving a somewhere between 5200-5300 fps, impressive to say the very least.
Haha. Have you not been keeping on up on the Leupold? KevB has been in love with it the past year.
After seeing a few at SHOT, I'd love to get my hands on one. Seems a bit much on a 5.56 gun, but it seems quite perfect on a 7.62 gun (as it was designed for).
mudgunner49
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I guess I need to pay closer attention - I'll take a look back thru his posts and see what's up...
mudgunner49
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1. Are you on crack?? Where are you finding 6.8 velocities like that???
2. Brass or copper??? Material from an alternate universe??
3. Sentence structure and subject/verb agreement - work on it...
