Norinco 1911 Government model what is the first part to change?

With mine I put in a long trigger and a flat mainspring housing but that is just how I like 1911's to be set up. I also replaced the horrible plastic grips with a set from hogueauction.com , I bought a set of "seconds" for $17.98US and I can't see what the defect is. There are 214 sets of 1911 grips on there now and there is a picture of the actual grips you are bidding on for each auction.
 
Silverback said:
With mine I put in a long trigger and a flat mainspring housing but that is just how I like 1911's to be set up. I also replaced the horrible plastic grips with a set from hogueauction.com , I bought a set of "seconds" for $17.98US and I can't see what the defect is. There are 214 sets of 1911 grips on there now and there is a picture of the actual grips you are bidding on for each auction.
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Isn't Hogue Auction great? I've bought several pairs of apparently perfect fancy wood grips for a fraction of their normal price. :)
 
John Sukey said:
I do wonder at installing a guide rod. The pistol worked through two World wars, Korea, and Vietnam without one and nobody complained.
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+1. If the 1911 needed a FLGR, John Browning would have put one on it. The two most ubiquitous fighting 1911s, the Springfield Professional (as used by the FBI) and the MEUSOC pistol, have a standard guide rod.

All of the truly useful modifications to the 1911 are peripheral ones that do not change the basic design of the pistol.
 
The first change might be to grind the markings off it, so no one can see you're supporting a brutal communist regime, that's destroying our economy with predatory trade practices.
 
You are entitled to your opinion.

I will not grind down my pistols. I see no need for that.
I feel that my purchase of this firearm supports the people that made it.
The foundry workers, labourers, mechanics, machinist, gunsmiths, etc.

In my view, grinding off the markings, grinds the people down also.

I do not support the current Communist regime in control of government.
Nor do I agree with their despictable practices.
You are correct, in that they use predatory techniques such as artificially keeping down the value of their money, in order to obtain a trading edge.
They also supress civil rights and keep wages of the workers at a low level to help them keep that edge.

However IMHO. the people should not be punished for the sins of their governments.
The people do not have the democratic right to elect their representatives in government.

Should You or I be blamed and punished, simply because our own government of the day might be screwing-up?
Should I grind off the Markings on my Walthers and Lugers and Mausers, etc?
Just because they were made and used in the time-frame controlled by the brutal and murderous Nazi regime.

I do not blame the Norinco made 1911 pistol or it's makers, for the sins of the Chinese government.

I hope that you enjoy owning ang shooting your guns, as much as I enjoy owning and shooting mine.:)

To the OP.

The first change that I would make.
Would be to change the pistol's satus from new, to well used.
With a few hundred rounds downrange you will be in a better position to judge for yourself what changes might be needed.;)


boxcoach said:
The first change might be to grind the markings off it, so no one can see you're supporting a brutal communist regime, that's destroying our economy with predatory trade practices.
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Halger280HVMag said:
You are entitled to your opinion.

I will not grind down my pistols. I see no need for that.
I feel that my purchase of this firearm supports the people that made it.
The foundry workers, labourers, mechanics, machinist, gunsmiths, etc.

In my view, grinding off the markings, grinds the people down also.

I do not support the current Communist regime in control of government.
Nor do I agree with their despictable practices.
You are correct, in that they use predatory techniques such as artificially keeping down the value of their money, in order to obtain a trading edge.
They also supress civil rights and keep wages of the workers at a low level to help them keep that edge.

However IMHO. the people should not be punished for the sins of their governments.
The people do not have the democratic right to elect their representatives in government.

Should You or I be blamed and punished, simply because our own government of the day might be screwing-up?
Should I grind off the Markings on my Walthers and Lugers and Mausers, etc?
Just because they were made and used in the time-frame controlled by the brutal and murderous Nazi regime.

I do not blame the Norinco made 1911 pistol or it's makers, for the sins of the Chinese government.

I hope that you enjoy owning ang shooting your guns, as much as I enjoy owning ang shooting mine.:)

To the OP.

The first change that I would make.
Would be to change the pistol's satus from new, to well used.
With a few hundred rounds downrange you will be in a better position to judge for yourself what changes might be needed.;)
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Well said!! Anyone buy a gun in Canada is support our importer, support our sport, pay hst to our government....Who care where it was made?

Trigun
 
I didn't end up getting a government model... But I found a norc that met my need for a bad @ss combat pistol:


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I like it! I would get rid of the extended slide stop and magazine release, though.
 
Halger280HVMag said:
You are entitled to your opinion.

I will not grind down my pistols. I see no need for that.
I feel that my purchase of this firearm supports the people that made it.
The foundry workers, labourers, mechanics, machinist, gunsmiths, etc.
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Wow! Are most Canadians this ignorant? Or is it their media's fault? You speak with such colourful sound bites that it's as though they really know the issues at hand.

Nor do I agree with their despictable practices.
What despicable practices?

the sins of the Chinese government.
What sins exactly? Sins such as the historical feat of lifting 300 million people out of poverty in an unprecedentedly short period?

they use predatory techniques such as artificially keeping down the value of their money, in order to obtain a trading edge.
For over a decade we (Americans mainly) lived in a state of euphoria, spending and borrowing on easy credit like there was no tomorrow. Now that the time to pay up has come suddenly it's China's fault because they have run a prudent financial policy? Let's do the same thing to them that we did to Japan and have them suffer for a few decades for our own mistakes.

They also supress civil rights and keep wages of the workers at a low level to help them keep that edge.
Yup make them pay their workers US$70/hr like GM for installing bumpers on cars. The fact is the Chinese market actually has a labor shortage if you can believe it and their workers have seen unprecedented wage increases. It's easy for someone like you to condemn faraway people and governments from the comforts of your living room but it's a huge world out there where your experiences and social conditioning are often irrelevant.

Meanwhile keep watching CBC (or CNN for that matter) to learn about the world. They make things sound real simple to their western audiences.
 
Not sure if you're trying to insult me, or is it ALL Canadians?

Are you saying that the Chinese Government is not repressing the Chinese People?

Politically motivated enprisonment, would be one of these despicable practices, IMHO.

I am certainly NOT condemning the Chinese Workers in any way.:confused:

No one is talking about $70 dollars Hr. or anything like it.

It's about trade inequality.

I don't watch, or listen to, the CBC. or the Rah Rah Amerika CNN either.

You are also entitled to your opinions.

Good day sir.




PoCoBubba said:
Wow! Are most Canadians this ignorant? Or is it their media's fault? You speak with such colourful sound bites that it's as though they really know the issues at hand.

Nor do I agree with their despictable practices.
What despicable practices?

the sins of the Chinese government.
What sins exactly? Sins such as the historical feat of lifting 300 million people out of poverty in an unprecedentedly short period?

they use predatory techniques such as artificially keeping down the value of their money, in order to obtain a trading edge.
For over a decade we (Americans mainly) lived in a state of euphoria, spending and borrowing on easy credit like there was no tomorrow. Now that the time to pay up has come suddenly it's China's fault because they have run a prudent financial policy? Let's do the same thing to them that we did to Japan and have them suffer for a few decades for our own mistakes.

They also supress civil rights and keep wages of the workers at a low level to help them keep that edge.
Yup make them pay their workers US$70/hr like GM for installing bumpers on cars. The fact is the Chinese market actually has a labor shortage if you can believe it and their workers have seen unprecedented wage increases. It's easy for someone like you to condemn faraway people and governments from the comforts of your living room but it's a huge world out there where your experiences and social conditioning are often irrelevant.

Meanwhile keep watching CBC (or CNN for that matter) to learn about the world. They make things sound real simple to their western audiences.
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krausb said:
Just curious, what made you decide to put a heavier spring and FLGR in?
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The spring was recommended by John at MARSTAR, and I can see why. I compared the stock Norinco spring with a very old stock Colt spring, and the Colt was far stiffer. As for the guide rod, I was talking to a guy who used to be a pro competitor with the 1911 and he swore it would give improved accuracy as the full length rod forces the spring to compress/decompress in the same way every shot. Uniformity of firing improves uniformity of accuracy.:)
 
lister said:
As for the guide rod, I was talking to a guy who used to be a pro competitor with the 1911 and he swore it would give improved accuracy as the full length rod forces the spring to compress/decompress in the same way every shot. Uniformity of firing improves uniformity of accuracy.:)
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I would tend to agree. Same reason why you change the spring guide rod on a norc m14. It improves accuracy there too.
 
I still don't understand the FLGR argument about the original design not completely controlling the spring. Does anyone actually know the distance the spring is unsupported by the cap or the guide rod? without actually knowing I would wager it is less than a cm. There isn't enough space or time for the spring to do anything but get compressed and contained within the cap and guide rod.

Full Length guide rods add unnecessary complexity to a system that does not require it. While I don't have any range time on my sig sauer 1911, everything I have read about them suggests they are one of the most accurate 1911's out of the box... With the John Browning recoil spring setup.
 
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