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Gatehouse said:
It beats it by being better at that task.
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LOL. I didn't hear any of the deer or long-range coyotes that I've killed complain that I killed them with a .25-06 and not a .260. The lights went out and they dropped so quickly that they wouldn't have had a chance to say so, even if they wanted to ;)
 
Same recoil. Just try using a 100gr TSX or an 80gr TTSX in the .25-06 and a 140gr TSX in the .260. Heck, the .25-06 may even have less recoil at that point...

The .25-06 actually beat the .260 because the bullet arrived at the animal first, and it got there with less wind drift and drop, and more thump. So I guess the .25-06 completely dominates the .260 in every way :p

Laughin' at this whole argument...
 
not sayin the 25-06 doesn't work, of course it does, and it works well. The 260 just works a bit better, all things being equal

My 23" brl 260 does 2975-3000 f/s with a 120gr TTSX, try doing that in a 25-06. You'd need a specialized twist which isnt common in factory guns. It'll also do 3250 f/s with 100 grainers, right there with 25-06. My neighbour's MkV Ultralight 25-06 does 3280 with the 100tsx.

260 just plain works better, simple to see
 
For me it was a 25-06 in a Sako 85. Better options in the ammo dept for me since I dont reload and it does it with class just like its bigger brother the 30-06 ;)
 
My 22" barreled .25-06 gets 3050fps with a 120gr bullet, and it shoots them very accurately, too. It's a factory T3 with a 1-10" twist. It gets 3100fps with a 115gr bullet and 3312fps with a 100gr TTSX.

I don't have a problem if you try and tell me that the .260 is more efficient or easier on powder, but the .25-06 outperforms it, hands down. At least out to 1000 yards, or so.
 
I don't have a problem if you try and tell me that the .260 is more efficient or easier on powder, but the .25-06 outperforms it, hands down. At least out to 1000 yards, or so.
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The advantage at long range does turn in the 260s favor when using very high BC bullets like the Lapua 123gr Scenar or the Berger 130gr vld.The 25-06 may start with slightly more velocity,but the big advantage that the 264" bullets have in BC soon makes up for slightly less muzzle velocity.
 
Only one way to win this argument. Get one of each!! I have a Sako AV in 25-06, that I have put down a pile of deer with, and yes it will lay them flat just like any other big game caliber will with a well placed shot. 3 years ago I went out and bought a Sako 85 in 260 Remington. I will agree with todbartell, in the recoil department. My 25-06 is a solid pound heavier than the 260, and is loaded with lighter weight bullets, and thus should be a softer recoiling gun, but it is far from even a close comparison. The 25-06 has much more felt recoil than the 260 in my experience.
My vote is for the 260 remington overall, based on several factors, longer barrel life, less recoil, better ballistics (its hard to argue the fact that 6.5 - 7mm bullets have some of the best ballistics out there), heavier bullet options, shorter action, etc.
Since getting my 260 remington, the 25-06 has not been to the bush. That being said, the newest addition to the collection is a Sako AV in 280 Remington, now my 260 may be staying home for a while. ;) Probably not for as long of holiday as the 25-06 though because it is such a pleasure to shoot.

But back to the OP's topic, would the 25-06 be a good deer/coyote cartridge? Absolutely!! It will pile them up very effectively, you won't be disappointed.
 
stubblejumper said:
The advantage at long range does turn in the 260s favor when using very high BC bullets like the Lapua 123gr Scenar or the Berger 130gr vld.The 25-06 may start with slightly more velocity,but the big advantage that the 264" bullets have in BC soon makes up for slightly less muzzle velocity.
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I agree with you, but if you look at the chart above, comparing the 115gr VLD from the .25-06 to the 130gr VLD from the .260, the .25-06 maintains the advantage until well out past 800 yards.

EDIT: I just checked the chart output again, the two cross paths at 1050 yards, which is where the .260 takes over the advantage.
 
EDIT: I just checked the chart output again, the two cross paths at 1050 yards, which is where the .260 takes over the advantage.
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It all depends on which muzzle velocity you use for each cartridge.

The 123gr Lapua Scenar does even better than the Berger 130gr vld,because it has almost the same BC,but can be driven about 100fps faster.
 
stubblejumper said:
The 123gr Lapua Scenar does even better than the Berger 130gr vld,because it has almost the same BC,but can be driven about 100fps faster.
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I thought we were talking hunting bullets, here ;)

I just plugged in the 123gr Scenar at 2940fps, and the .25-06 still maintained the advantage out to 900 yards. Not many people are shooting deer out that far. I also used sea level and standard atmospheric conditions. The .260 would have less of an advantage at higher elevation or in thinner air because the air density would handicap the lower BC .257 bullet less.
 
Yup. I basically was running near max for each- 3100fps using a 115gr bullet from the .25, and 2850fps using a 130gr from the .260.
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The Nosler manual has the 260 driving 140gr bullets at 2830fps out of a 24" barrel.The 140gr VLD with it's BC of .612,would likely be one of the best .264" hunting bullets.
 
And just how many angels can you guys fit onto the head of a pin, anyway?

This is starting to get beyond useful unless one is looking for a thread that is a perfect illustration of just how ridiculous theoretical arguments can get.
 
If I use a Swampworks' 108gr JLK VLD at 3200fps and Berger's 140gr VLD at 2830fps, the .260 doesn't pass the .25-06 until 1150 yards. Heck, even the 115gr Berger VLD doesn't get passed by the 140gr VLD from the .260 until ~825 yards. I shoot most of my deer and coyotes easily within that range.

Let's just settle this by saying that both cartridges are fantastic ;)
 
todbartell said:
not sayin the 25-06 doesn't work, of course it does, and it works well. The 260 just works a bit better, all things being equal

My 23" brl 260 does 2975-3000 f/s with a 120gr TTSX, try doing that in a 25-06. You'd need a specialized twist which isnt common in factory guns. It'll also do 3250 f/s with 100 grainers, right there with 25-06. My neighbour's MkV Ultralight 25-06 does 3280 with the 100tsx.

260 just plain works better, simple to see
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Going by and utilizing info from the Sierra manual, and as luck would have it their test rifle virtually duplicates what I'm using. As pictured in post #10, a Savage 112BVSS with a 26" barrel, 1 - 10" twist. Doing 2975 - 3000 with a 120gr Sierra 120gr HPBT, no problem. About a week after I shot the target in post # 10 and hs4570 signed it, he brought his chrony to the range for our next session. I have the data he listed for me and I'll see if I can dig it out. There were a few loads he chronied for me and as I recall, using the Nosler 120gr spitzer solid base, Sierra 120gr HPBT, the velocity range was from slightly under 3100 to a little over. With the 110gr Nosler Accubond, 3200 and just under. With the 117gr Sierra and the loads I was trying, right around 3175. I have some Barnes 115gr flat base triple shock but I haven't tried them yet.

:confused:I'm a little curious as to what you've stated, about needing a specialized twist. The 25-06 Remington - 1 in 10" in the following;
  • Remington 700, 40-XB.
  • Ruger # 1 and 77.
  • Browning.
  • Sako.
  • Winchester 70.
  • Savage 110, 112.
  • Thompson/Center Rifle.
In most of the 25 cals, are 1 - 10" and some 1 - 9 1/2" and one I see, the 256 Winchester in a Marlin 62 is listed at 1 - 14".

Now in the 260 or 264 range of diameter calibers, there are quite a few twist variations, all the way from 1 - 8" to 1 - 11". I'm guessing that with some of the tighter twists, will have a tendency to reduce velocities although improve the handling of heavier bullets.

On my recent trip to the Terrace area, I picked up a Chronograph at Misty River Tackle & Hunting. I'll have to get it into use when the weather improves and the rain stops.
 
rral22 said:
And just how many angels can you guys fit onto the head of a pin, anyway?

This is starting to get beyond useful unless one is looking for a thread that is a perfect illustration of just how ridiculous theoretical arguments can get.
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EXACTLY. That is why I've been laughing right from the moment somebody said that the .260 is "better" than the .25-06.
 
As I posted previously,I do like the 25-06.It is as good as it gets for a deer rifle,and as a coyote rifle.However,in my case,I wanted more of an all purpose rifle that would do some target shooting as well.For that reason,I chose the 260rem this time around.The extra barrel life makes it more suitable for my uses.
 
As much as I despise the 260 I think if it's a long range affair the 260 trumps the 25/06 based on high BC bullets.

How many guys build LR 25's?

For hunting I'd say it's a tossup. Whichever floats your boat is the one to use.
 
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