25-06

Gatehouse said:
So you may as well pick the cartridge with less recoil, less powder and longer barrel life- the .260. It is, after all, a better cartridge.:p
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In a similar cartridge/caliber question and comparison in another thread, I recall a knowledgeable individual state, "Find the gun you like and buy it, reguardless of cartridge".;) Couldn't resist.
 
Actually, Hornady recommends the A-Max for hunting light-to-medium game
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Really,you better look again.

http://www.hornady.com/bullets

From that link:

A-MAX® NOW featuring AMP™ bullet jackets!

Designed by match shooters for match shooters. With an ultra-low drag tip, our A-Max match bullets feature an aerodynamic secant ogive that delivers flat trajectories with excellent uniformity and concentricity. Find out more...

* Rapid, explosive expansion with limited penetration.
* Recommended muzzle velocity range: 2000+ fps.
* These bullets are not recommended for hunting medium and large game.
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Light game perhaps,but according to Hornady themselves,not for medium game.
 
Fire them an email and ask if the A-Max is suitable for long-range deer hunting
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Why would I bother when it is stated right on the Hornady site that they don't recommend the A-MAX for medium or large game?And if someone at Hornady was to contradict the official recommendation posted on the site,why would I believe that person,over the recommendation posted on the site?
 
Because deer isn't necessarily considered medium game. It depends on who you ask. Sierra doesn't recommend the MK for hunting. Period. I'm not sure about Lapua regarding the Scenar. Hornady does recommend hunting with the A-Max, but not on heavy game.

I'm suggesting you ask for an interpretation of what constitutes "medium and heavy game". I already know what they'll say.

In any case, I'm really not sure why we're discussing this? I know that a ton of guys use the Scenar, MK, A-Max, and Berger VLD on game at long range, with no issues. The VLD was a match target bullet, just like the rest of them, until people figured out that they work great on animals as well as steel.

The only reason that I brought up the target bullet vs. hunting bullet thing before was so that we could try to keep the discussion as "apples to apples" as possible.
 
I'm suggesting you ask for an interpretation of what constitutes "medium and heavy game". I already know what they'll say.
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It's really as simple as:

Actually, Hornady recommends the A-Max for hunting light-to-medium game
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VS

* These bullets are not recommended for hunting medium and large game.
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You posted that Hornady recommends the A-MAX for hunting medium game,yet Hornady quite plainly posts that the A-MAX is not recommended for hunting medium game.
 
HORNADY 7th EDITION MANUAL

Page 41:

The base configuration is called a boat tail.
A-MAX bullets are generally formatch shoot-
ing, with jackets drawn to less than .0005"
concentricity and given, as here, Hornady's
Ultra-Low Drag Tip. This bullet is also
excellent for hunting thin-skinned game.

Every ammo box I've read over the years classifies deer as light or thin-skinned game. Medium game usually had a pictogram of elk assigned to it and heavy game was a moose. Sometimes a cape buffalo was used in the heavy game pictogram.

I've shot and recovered 155gr A-Max's into wet clay, dry dirt banks and through trees big enough to conclude that they would kill deer just fine. I was sure some of the dry hard earth shots would destroy the A-Max. To my surprise the ones I found were mushroomed very nicely at 200 yards.
 
You're right. So I guess I shouldn't hunt large game like cape buffalo or elephant, or medium game like elk with them
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It doesn't matter Hornady considers to be MEDIUM game.The fact is that you posted that Hornady recommended the A-MAX for MEDIUM game,when it has been proven that they clearly don't recommend the A-MAX for MEDIUM game.

As such,what Hornady considers to be MEDIUM game is totally irrelevant.Whether they consider deer to be light or medium game is irrelevant,it doesn't change the fact that contrary to what you posted,Hornady DOES NOT recommend the A-MAX for MEDIUM GAME.
 
I said they recommend the bullet for light-medium game. That means any animal that fits somewhere between light and medium. Quit being so anal about the terminology. The fact is that the A-Max is approved by Hornady for hunting THIN-SKINNED GAME :)

Hornady DOES recommend the A-Max for what I consider to be medium game- WT deer and MD. This whole stupid argument depends on whether my definition of medium game matches Hornady's definition of medium game. Why don't you call them and find out, instead of playing cyber-cop with the wording on their website?

I've gotta go get ready to go hunting in the morning. I'm gonna be hunting WT deer, and my buddy has a cow moose tag. Should we use the A-Max, or not? Oh wait, neither of those two critters are named "medium game", so I guess you're stumped? ;)
 
stubblejumper said:
It doesn't matter Hornady considers to be MEDIUM game.The fact is that you posted that Hornady recommended the A-MAX for MEDIUM game,when it has been proven that they clearly don't recommend the A-MAX for MEDIUM game.

As such,what Hornady considers to be MEDIUM game is totally irrelevant.Whether they consider deer to be light or medium game is irrelevant,it doesn't change the fact that contrary to what you posted,Hornady DOES NOT recommend the A-MAX for MEDIUM GAME.
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I agree. To me "medium game" starts with elk and larger game and the A-Max IMO won't get it done. May not penetrate far enough.
 
stubblejumper said:
Actually elk and moose are both considered THIN-SKINNED GAME:D
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And I've got friends who report that the A-Max works just fine on both of those species, as long as the range isn't too close and impact velocity is not too high. So I guess the A-Max does, indeed, work great on "thin-skinned game" ;) :D

I can't wait until Hornady comes out with a 115gr A-Max for the .25-06...
 
Johnn Peterson said:
In addition, if the 120gr Sierra is accurate and therefore stable out of my 25-06 with its 1 - 10" twist, I see no reason why a 'hypothetical' Barnes 120gr TTSX, if it existed, wouldn't also be accurate.
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Probably would be accurate, in a 1:8 twist since it will be significantly longer than a lead core 120grain which will work fine in a 1-10 twist. As I said before, Barnes suggests a 1:9 twist for their hollowpoint 115gr TSX. The fact you can get a 120gr TTSX in 264" and load it in a 1:9 twist 260 Rem, and drive it within 100 fps of a 25-06 with a lead core 120gr, makes the 260 a bit more of an attractive chambering!

Jordan Smith said:
todbartell,

First of all, why would you be using a TSX for a long-range bullet? It's about there is for a high-velocity, close-to-medium range bullet, but not at all for long range. I've worked up 2 loads in my hunting rifles, each of which have matching POI's between the 2 loads. I load a TSX/TTSX for 400 yards and under, and something like an A-Max or a Berger or a MK for over 400 yards.

I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, once again, but I get significantly different ouputs in JBM. When put the 115gr TSX at 3100fps vs. the 120gr TTSX at standard atmosphere, at sea level, with 10mph crosswind, 200 yard zero for both, I get 6.8" of drift for the .25-06 and 12.2" for the .260 at 400 yards. The 120gr PT drift 7.9", and the 125gr PT 12.4" at 400 yards.

I'm not concerned with bullet drop or RE whatsoever. I'm simply concerned with the bullet having sufficient velocity upon impact for expansion, and the old devil called the wind.

.25-06 wins every time, BUT it burns more powder doing so.
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TTSX 120gr in 260R @ 2975 fps will expand out to a bit past 500 yards. Zero interest in shooting at deer beyond that. It is far from a short/medium range bullet ;) I use JBM for my calculations, however I do use it correctly to give real world results :)


260 for the win! :bump:

 
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