Firearms using 7.62x25 ammo

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I bought several cases of surplus 7.62x25 ammo for my Tokarev but I've been lately trying to also do some research on what are some other firearms (rifle or handgun) that also use the 7.62x25mm round (or is compatable with it) that I may be able to find and purchase.

Anyone have any ideas? I'm not really looking to find any prohibited guns or extremely rare/expensive ones, just something else I can pick up and shoot at the range or out hunting.

Thanks....
 
"...rifle or handgun..." Pistol cartridge only. There were some semi-auto SMG's, none of which you can have, and a few home made rifles, chambered for it though.
I believe the only pistols chambered in 7.62x25 are your Tokarev, its Norinco copy and the Czech CZ-52/CZ 513.
"...out hunting..." Nothing you could hunt anything with.
 
There were some M1911A1 Colts converted to this round for the NVA.

It would be a fun round in a little bolt-action such as the Sako 44 or a modernised Destroyer. Or somebody could scale down the Reising, make a really FUN little rifle. Cheap to make, too.

I do notice that the chargers that the Czech ammo comes in will fit the 1911 Steyr pistol, which would be an excellent candidate for such a conversion, so many having been modded to 9x19 already. Converting to the 7.62x25 would require only a new barrel, possibly some clearance at the front end of the round in the mag well. Does anybody know if this was ever tried? This would REALLY be a way to wring the best out of the cartridge; the old Steyr is just scary accurate to start with.
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Surprisingly it is quite a powerful round which you can hunt with.
I have read on several forums (mostly Russian) that this round for some reason tend to shatter bones on top of excellent penetration. On one forum there was a table compiled using police reports of people armed with different fire arms encountering brown bears, and the chances of survival against brown bear using just Tokarev pistol 7.62x25 was put at 70%, I presume this percentage goes up with training. If a person had Stechkin (full auto pistol for the same round) your survival chances were almost guaranteed, virtually 100%
My father was telling me that people in his village after war went hunting brown bear with PPSh and from experience he said that a bear did not have a chance of getting away.
Chances of surviving with 9x18 Makarov were low -- close to zero, .45 rarely penetrated the fat layer and 9x19 were low too around 20% but higher than .45 because bea’s skin was just too think for . 45, if memory serves me right.
I thought I would share this, because I found it quite interesting and recently I was getting more and more interested in 7.62x25. it is quite cute even simply to look at :)
 
Lever Arms, sold quite a few surplus M1 Carbines that were converted to 7.62x25. I saw two, and both had pitted bores. The magazines looked to be standard as well. After looking at the bores, I became uninterested and didn't persue them any further. The barrels, looked like the original GI barrel that was just rechambered. That would mean bolt face and extractor work as well.
 
bearhunter said:
Lever Arms, sold quite a few surplus M1 Carbines that were converted to 7.62x25. The barrels, looked like the original GI barrel that was just rechambered. That would mean bolt face and extractor work as well.
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Nope, not without some machining. However you can probably find an Iver Johnston replacement, as they did offer the M1 in 9mm which uses the same head profile.
 
smellie said:
It would be a fun round in a little bolt-action such as the Sako 44 or a modernised Destroyer. Or somebody could scale down the Reising, make a really FUN little rifle. Cheap to make, too.
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It would be interesting to see how much room the Destroyer mags had with a 7.62x25 round. It would be a fun utility gun, and if the bolt and barrel metal are strong enough, a fun project to reload for. Particularly if there's enough room in the mag to seat longer heavier bullets. The Speer 110 gr hollow point or 125 gr soft point would be interesting.
 
M1 Carbine conversion

Canuck223 said:
Nope, not without some machining. However you can probably find an Iver Johnston replacement, as they did offer the M1 in 9mm which uses the same head profile.
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Canuck223, in my post, I mentioned extractor and bolt face work. The rifles at Lever were at best "fair only". They were chambered for the 7.62x25. To bad one of the buyers, doesn't post.

As for the Spanish Destroyer, As luck would have it, TT33 mags fit nicely in the well. The bolt faces are close enough not to worry about and the extractors fit nicely. I've been looking for a beater Destroyer action for quite a while now. It should be a simple conversion.

There are a couple of different models of Destroyers, I would suggest the later ones for conversion.
 
i have converted a destroyer to 7.62 x 25 and i can tell you it worked fine. i can allso say that TOK T33 mags DID NOT fit my stock magwell. it has to be modifyed to fit. stock destroyer magwell is the same size as the 1911 mag,and the tok round/mag is somewhat deeper. i cut my magwell in half and streched it, then cut the front mounting hole off the magwell and shortened it. when i got it all done it worked great. i sold it to someone in BC. i shot many many gophers with it, and it was a great fun gun
 
Beater, maybe I'm lucky, the Tokarev mags fit just fine in the Destroyer I have. This is now a bit disturbing. If I can pick up a beater, the mag well may have to be modified as well.
did you run into anything else to watch for?
 
no it was fairly straight forward. which destroyer do you have? post a pic. the 7.62 round is longer than the 9 mm largo round. i dont see how it would fit in the magwell? if the tok mag will fit the magwell of yours, you must have a diff destroyer than i did? there used to be lotsa those lil guns out there. if i was going to do it again id pic a different gun, as they arent that strong.
 
Beater, you are absolutely right. I am absolutely wrong, I offer sincere apologies. I don't know where I got my mental image from. Whatever I was wrong. I will have to do exactly as you recommended, thanks for your heads up.

Would you happen to know where there is a beater Destroyer around? Mine is the model #4 carbine, and is to nice to tear down.

According to Frank de Haas, the 1921 is strong enough for any 9mm pistol cartridge and the #4 model is stronger. The 1921, uses the bolt handle as the locking lug. The #4, has two locking lugs midway on the bolt, that fit into recesses in the receiver.

The difference between the tokarev mags and destroyer mags, is around .065, not a big difference but enough to make alteration necessary.

Thanks again for the heads up.
 
i actually may have what your looking for. i am suposed to be getting a beater gun shortly.
well i feel better now that you dont have some diferent kinda destroyer that i wasnt aware of that would take TOK mags.
 
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