BPS question.....

Turkeyslayer 1300 said:
I would say that the Straight grip stock is what is causing you to shoot high. Or possible your gun just shoots high, of the two I shoot regularly one is low and the other just about right on.
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I can't see how a particular type of stock has anything to do with shooting (or not) to POA other than the sole question of appropriate gun fit not to mention a few other different factors. Out of curiosity, I'm assuming that both of your BPSs are equipped with English stocks?

Personal experience is usually the best teacher - I really do need shoot one and find out by myself. :)
 
sherlockbonez said:
Other than an english grip, is the stock dimension different? I don't see someone making a pump shoot high on purpose other than on a trap model.
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Did you mean when compared to a BPS Hunter stock? It isn't any different. Personal fit, obviously, would be an entirely different issue.

I also don't understand the rationale behind such configuration (if truely so) on a field model.
 
Ahsan Ahmed said:
I'm assuming that both of your BPSs are equipped with English stocks?
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The two English Stocked BPSs that I shoot regularly do not belong to me, In an earlier post you mentioned that stock design shouldn't affect patterning. Well it shouldn't but the nut holding the gun will hold it differently and thus make it pattern high or low. I doubt that Browning is intentionally designing it's Upland specials to pattern high, that would require extra time and effort and is not really needed these days as most people don't hunt with dogs and buy the Upland special as a general purpose gun. The BPS is a massed produced gun and will have some variances, it just seems to have far fewer variances than the other mass produced pumps.
 
Turkeyslayer 1300 said:
The two English Stocked BPSs that I shoot regularly do not belong to me, In an earlier post you mentioned that stock design shouldn't affect patterning. Well it shouldn't but the nut holding the gun will hold it differently and thus make it pattern high or low. I doubt that Browning is intentionally designing it's Upland specials to pattern high, that would require extra time and effort and is not really needed these days as most people don't hunt with dogs and buy the Upland special as a general purpose gun. The BPS is a massed produced gun and will have some variances, it just seems to have far fewer variances than the other mass produced pumps.
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Can it not be just a simple change of rib height and stock design.
I know my old remington 870 TC or TA trap gun what ever it is is designed to shoot high and man it does big time and that is the only change they made from a regular 870 pump. My super x 1 trap same thing higher rib and different stock nothing else. No big cost to browning that I can see.
Guess I will have to look for the original reviews by the experts on this gun since you don't believe me.
 
Ahsan Ahmed said:
I don't see how the question pertains to my original query. However, if you have anything constructive to add I'd be more than happy to listen.
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Please don't read anything into the question opther than was asked. I am just trying to determine if the BPS upland was designed by Browning to shoot high or that this is another myth that has been floating around and repeated enough to be gospel.
 
Covey Ridge said:
Please don't read anything into the question opther than was asked. I am just trying to determine if the BPS upland was designed by Browning to shoot high or that this is another myth that has been floating around and repeated enough to be gospel.
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I must admit that initially your question(s) to me, and subsequently, to another forum member came across as contentious ..... I now realize that wasn't the case. My apology for being a bit abrupt in my response earlier. :)
 
3macs1 said:
Can it not be just a simple change of rib height and stock design.
I know my old remington 870 TC or TA trap gun what ever it is is designed to shoot high and man it does big time and that is the only change they made from a regular 870 pump. My super x 1 trap same thing higher rib and different stock nothing else. No big cost to browning that I can see.
Guess I will have to look for the original reviews by the experts on this gun since you don't believe me.
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It could be rib height and stock design. I just think that a trap gun is designed to shoot high, I don't see the need for an upland gun to be designed that way, these days anyway. It is possible the earlier ones were meant to shoot high and the modern ones have new dimensions to reflect the end user.
 
Ahsan Ahmed said:
I must admit that initially your question(s) to me, and subsequently, to another forum member came across as contentious ..... I now realize that wasn't the case. My apology for being a bit abrupt in my response earlier. :)
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AA,
Apology not required. Re reading my response to your statement and later to 3macs1 statement, I can see where it may have been interpreted as being contentious. I read the link provided by 3macs1 and the closest I found is they shoot high. I have heard this many times and they is often the source of the statement.:D Since you asked the initial question I thought that it may be best answered by asking a question to challenge your source of information. I guess that did not work well:p

I owned an upland bps 20 for several years and it shot very flat. I am sure that there are some out there that shoot high or that cause their shooter to shoot high. I liked my bps upland with the thumb safety and liked how it felt for the most part. I did think that at times it felt like a chubby little double and that it was better spot shooting than swinging. On the skeet field it worked great, but then I knew where the target was coming from and had my feet planted for a break. In the field it worked a little more like a brick on surprise flushes. Please do not think I am bashing it. The upland is what it is. A useful utility gun that will pass in the upland as well as in a blind. If I was to get another I would want to put a pistol grip stock on it. I am not sure that the stocks will interchange.
 
Ahsan Ahmed said:
I am given to understand that (as default) the BPS Upland model may have been designed to shoot high?

Could anyone offer more insight on the subject. Thanks,
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Every Browning Ive owned shot high.
Thats why I dont own any.
I like the gun to give me good representation of shot pattern where my sight picture is... if not, its gone.:dancingbanana:
 
I like my guns to shoot where I look. If I can not make them do that easily we part company. Off the rack what usually works for me is Browning o/us and Beretta autos.
For me Beretta o/u and Browning autos do not work. For me, I prefer a pattern a little bit high.
 
Covey Ridge said:
AA,
Apology not required. Re reading my response to your statement and later to 3macs1 statement, I can see where it may have been interpreted as being contentious. I read the link provided by 3macs1 and the closest I found is they shoot high. I have heard this many times and they is often the source of the statement.:D Since you asked the initial question I thought that it may be best answered by asking a question to challenge your source of information. I guess that did not work well:p

I owned an upland bps 20 for several years and it shot very flat. I am sure that there are some out there that shoot high or that cause their shooter to shoot high. I liked my bps upland with the thumb safety and liked how it felt for the most part. I did think that at times it felt like a chubby little double and that it was better spot shooting than swinging. On the skeet field it worked great, but then I knew where the target was coming from and had my feet planted for a break. In the field it worked a little more like a brick on surprise flushes. Please do not think I am bashing it. The upland is what it is. A useful utility gun that will pass in the upland as well as in a blind. If I was to get another I would want to put a pistol grip stock on it. I am not sure that the stocks will interchange.
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CR,

I much appreciate the candidness here. Moreover, I'd much rather have someone call spade a spade upfront when seeking individual opinions/feedback. This is an open forum and members should openly participate without attempting to remain politically correct all the time.

The various dialogues that we exchange via forums of this nature are usually expressed in brief and there is always a potential for misinterpretation.....I must admit that I'm also not above that sort of situation.

I certainly do not consider your individual perception on the BPS Upland a bashing in any manner. On the contrary, it is yet another independent point of view for me to take into account to help make an informed decision.
 
Covey Ridge said:
I like my guns to shoot where I look. If I can not make them do that easily we part company. Off the rack what usually works for me is Browning o/us and Beretta autos.
For me Beretta o/u and Browning autos do not work. For me, I prefer a pattern a little bit high.
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Are you nutz?... Did you read youre last statement, Covey Ridge? Sounds alot like me on post #31, but then I lost you...
 
7mmlefty said:
Are you nutz?... Did you read youre last statement, Covey Ridge? Sounds alot like me on post #31, but then I lost you...
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Yes I did read my last statement! I like Browning doubles and beretta auto guns. I do not like Beretta doubles and..... yep that is what I said. Yes I may be nutz, but you will have to prove it:D
 
BPS Upland Special - 16ga

Could anyone here comment on the BPS Upland 16ga with the 24in barrel?

How does that balance and whether the weight is more or less in sync with what has actually been advertised on Browning's site? Thanks,
 
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