Lee Enfield .22 cal No.2 IV*

LawrenceN

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Ok you Lee Enfield gurus out there, I have a question as to value. I recently traded a sword for the pictured rifle. The bolt and frame don't have matching serial numbers. and the lower forestock is birch while the butt and upper handguards are walnut and the brass disc is missing. That's the bad. The good is that the bore is beautiful, the wood has no repairs or major blemishes or dents. The metal work is all good with no rust or corrosion. The barrel has a big capital "PH" on the knoxform (Parker Hale?), and no one has attempted to drill holes for scope mounting or such like. So, what can you tell me about scarcity, value, or any other good general information? Any knowledge you could pass on would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance.
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consider that this started life as a .303 and was later converted to a .22 by Parker hale
Missing stock disc? No biggy, as they were deleted around 1915 but the buttstocks still had the cut-out until the supply ran out. Bolt not matching? NO big deal, you aren't gonna have to worry about headspace with a .22
Value of the sword???

I have no idea on what .22 conversions are going for in Canada, but it won't be cheap by any means. And you can't shoot a sword;)

Now as for that stock disc, owners of target rifles often put their names on a blank disc, and I have two like that.
 
Nice rifle... everyone should have a miniature calibre SMLE.

Looks like you have an example of the No.2 Mk IV* conversion of the SMLE. Is the buttsocket marked as such?

Parker Hale did a number of the conversions - many of them by sleeving the .303 barrel. Are the words "Parker Hale" running in a circle on the crown of the barrel? A number of other conversions and variations on the theme. Others here will have lots more to add I'm sure.

Some good information can be found here:
http://www.rifleman.org.uk/Enfield_Rifle_No.2_and_.22RF_Mk.III.html
http://www.rifleman.org.uk/A.G._and_A.J.Parker_and_%20Parker-Hale.html

Value is hard to determine without seeing more pictures or info (buttsocket markings and to see if it has the correct ".22" stamped magazine, etc.), but if all shows a legit conversion, I'd say a minimum $400. A premium if Canadian-marked.
 
Looks like a gorgeous acquisition ! :cool:

My SMLE trainer was also "sans brass disc" :yingyang: , and it's no biggie to find a replacement one (either blank, with a C broad arrow or with a snazzie marking on it)......:cheers:

With wood and metal in that good of shape, I rather think you lucked-out......:p

BTW, don't worry too much about matching #'s - most would feel d@mn lucky to get an SMLE or No.4 trainer in solid shape, and - historically - the mismatch of serial numbers speaks to the actual past of how so many of these trainers were constructed/pieced together from various pieces, before being pressed into service/use.
 
Re: the "PH"

There's no marking on the buttstock per se designating the mark. On the knoxform ahead of the receiver there are the stamped letters "DP" that have been crossed out (Drill purpose?) and the PH stamped above them. On the buttstock underside by the trigger guard there is a number 43 and under that is marked ph 1941. The only other marking I can see is the letter "R" on the upper side of the buttstock just behind the socket.


RangeRover said:
Nice rifle... everyone should have a miniature calibre SMLE.

Looks like you have an example of the No.2 Mk IV* conversion of the SMLE. Is the buttsocket marked as such?

Parker Hale did a number of the conversions - many of them by sleeving the .303 barrel. Are the words "Parker Hale" running in a circle on the crown of the barrel? A number of other conversions and variations on the theme. Others here will have lots more to add I'm sure.

Some good information can be found here:
http://www.rifleman.org.uk/Enfield_Rifle_No.2_and_.22RF_Mk.III.html
http://www.rifleman.org.uk/A.G._and_A.J.Parker_and_%20Parker-Hale.html

Value is hard to determine without seeing more pictures or info (buttsocket markings and to see if it has the correct ".22" stamped magazine, etc.), but if all shows a legit conversion, I'd say a minimum $400. A premium if Canadian-marked.
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LawrenceN said:
There's no marking on the buttstock per se designating the mark. On the knoxform ahead of the receiver there are the stamped letters "DP" that have been crossed out (Drill purpose?) and the PH stamped above them. On the buttstock underside by the trigger guard there is a number 43 and under that is marked ph 1941. The only other marking I can see is the letter "R" on the upper side of the buttstock just behind the socket.
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I wouldn't shoot it if it has DP stamped anywhere on it. Even if it is crossed out.

If Parker Hale took an old DP rifle and sleeved it to shoot .22 LR that is another thing though.

The question is, how will you know for sure?
 
I was at the Orangeville gunshow today and these .22 trainers were going for $500. Depends on how much the sword was worth but it seems like you got a pretty good deal. Nice looking gun. Even if you didn't want to keep the .22 trainer pull the wood of and stick her on a no1 mrk 3.
 
MapleSugar said:
I wouldn't shoot it if it has DP stamped anywhere on it. Even if it is crossed out.

If Parker Hale took an old DP rifle and sleeved it to shoot .22 LR that is another thing though.

The question is, how will you know for sure?
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I was given a link to very good article on exactly this rifle. Parker Hale did indeed get a contract to refurbish DP marked weapons to fill the need for .22 cal. trainers. All the markings on my rifle are correct for this refurb, so I'm fully confident that this meets the criteria for the pattern.
 
cyclone said:
BTW :yingyang: , what can you tell us about the rear-sights on your rifle? :cool:

Mine had the windage adjustment on the rear sights :) , was yours similarly fashioned?
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I wish mine had the target sight, but it only has the standard rear battle sight not even adjustable for windage. Mind you, there are no scuffs or holes on the receiver to suggest it ever wore anything else but.
 
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