Tonights unnerving find

Ok, so you found some deer heads and a possibly (probably) processed carcass in a gravel pit during hunting season.


Let me guess a couple legs from the knee down too??



Quick phone the cops (on your self for being silly):)
 
No issue at all, apparently I am over reacting according to the messages I'm receiving.:rolleyes:

So if they were regularly harvested animals, where are the bones? where are the hides??
Why are the antlers cut off two of them and the small ones left on the other?

Maybe for you this is a normal practice.At the very least it is illegal dumping, aside from the other possibilities.

The gravel pit is used in the fall for material, the hunters in the area use it for parking and target practice. No effort was made to dump the animals out of site. There is people usually in there daily.



bearkilr said:
The ones that don't eat them and are only after antlers won't go through the effort of loading and dumping somewhere else. They leave them were they shot them,aside from the heads of course.

I'm really not seeing a big offence here. You said they were dumped in a "semi-used" gravel pit, whatever that means. It wasn't along the Transcanada Hwy.

You're not sure there was any meat wasted whatsoever, you just found three heads and a partial carcass, in a gravel pit. Where's the issue? :confused:
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Kelly Timoffee said:
No issue at all, apparently I am over reacting according to the messages I'm receiving.:rolleyes:

So if they were regularly harvested animals, where are the bones? where are the hides??
Why are the antlers cut off two of them and the small ones left on the other?

Maybe for you this is a normal practice.At the very least it is illegal dumping, aside from the other possibilities.

The gravel pit is used in the fall for material, the hunters in the area use it for parking and target practice. No effort was made to dump the animals out of site. There is people usually in there daily.
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Just guessing here, but the two cut off ones were probably larger sets that were kept. :)

Why illegal dumping? Do you have to take deer remnants to a rendering facility in SK? I doubt it.

Everyone dumps deer remains in the countryside here, including gravel pits. Nothing illegal about it. Not much different than roadkill, other than it's not beside a road.
 
Okay , going away from the main idea again.

It just looks too much like some animals were killed just for the antlers.As it appears to me. Sometimes you find bodies with no heads, sometimes you find heads with no antlers.

Here yes, on private land do as you wish ,dump where you want.Our landfill has specific area for animal waste and carcasses.For a price of course. I believe and I could be wrong, that if it is a public place it wouldn't be any different than an old washing machine , hamburger wrappers, or animals parts.

The coyotes and the birds will process the remains very efficiently, the thing that bothers me is the means and possible motives that happened previous to the dumping.

As for the same as road kill, that is unintentional. What do you think a LEO or CO what have to say if they witnessed you throwing bones and hides and heads into the ditch? Doubt the same as roadkill statement would help much.:p

Yes I am assuming here, but others are also assuming that they were taken legally.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
No issue at all, apparently I am over reacting according to the messages I'm receiving.:rolleyes:

So if they were regularly harvested animals, where are the bones? where are the hides??
Why are the antlers cut off two of them and the small ones left on the other?

Maybe for you this is a normal practice.At the very least it is illegal dumping, aside from the other possibilities.

The gravel pit is used in the fall for material, the hunters in the area use it for parking and target practice. No effort was made to dump the animals out of site. There is people usually in there daily.
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Yes, you are over reacting.

The bones are probably simmering away in someone's soup pot.

The hides are at the tannery, if the coyotes and foxes didn't get them first.

Illegal dumping? What was dumped?

Other possibilities? What other possibilities?

Could go on with each of your points, but what specifically makes you think these animals were taken illegally?

Ted
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Okay , going away from the main idea again.

It just looks too much like some animals were killed just for the antlers.As it appears to me. Sometimes you find bodies with no heads, sometimes you find heads with no antlers.

Here yes, on private land do as you wish ,dump where you want.Our landfill has specific area for animal waste and carcasses.For a price of course. I believe and I could be wrong, that if it is a public place it wouldn't be any different than an old washing machine , hamburger wrappers, or animals parts.

The coyotes and the birds will process the remains very efficiently, the thing that bothers me is the means and possible motives that happened previous to the dumping.

As for the same as road kill, that is unintentional. What do you think a LEO or CO what have to say if they witnessed you throwing bones and hides and heads into the ditch? Doubt the same as roadkill statement would help much.:p

Yes I am assuming here, but others are also assuming that they were taken legally.
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Throwing away animal parts and washing machines are not even close to being the same. Toss a banana peel out your car window, no issue. Do the same with a candy wrapper and you should get a littering charge. Synthetics and metal don't decompose.

As for CO's and LEO's......where do you think they take roadkill, should they even care to pick it up? Schneiders for hot dogs? Not quite, it gets tossed out of sight, maybe even a gravel pit. Not everyone lives near a large city with rendering facilities and incinerators.

Regardless, I have no dog in this fight, but you're overreacting and quite naive in some of your thinking, to be honest.
 
Not trying to piss on your concerns here, but why did you even get the idea that you did? You ask what happened to the bones, to the hides, to the antlers...the parts that would typically go home with a hunter. Did somebody bone out these critters and leave the meat there? What did you find, exactly? It sounds like gutpiles and heads...maybe a bit sloppy in the disposal department, maybe a bit thoughtless and/or inconsiderate, but beyond that...???
 
Sounds like the 2 sets of antlers were taken, were worth keeping. The hides are likely in a hide collection somewhere. Boned out carcasses and skulls give the coyotes something to gnaw on.
SWF hide collection drop offs dont want the heads and legs left on because its a mess and far too much worthless weight. In most places its illegal throw them in the garbage, and the landfills don't want them either. Guys with big dogs are a decent way to get rid of bones and trim, but there's a limit to what can be got rid of that way. God's dogs seem to like it.

Sometimes I wonder why we always seem to haul all the crap to town, then turn around and haul it back out again. Whats wrong with boneing everything out in the field and being done? Our synopsis is actually promoteing that now because of CWD so whats the difference?
 
Found three severed heads, one complete carcass, no cut off legs or boned out sections or anything, The heads were cut in a fashion not typical to skinning them out and in no regard trying to conserve meat. It is a heavily poached area and near a reserve. If there were boned out pieces and hides then I would just say someone dropped em a bit close for everyone to see. They were frozen to the ground and no evidence of anything being dragged off in the snow.No gut piles either, I have hunted long enough to know what it looks like when someone dresses a deer out. If the heads would have been cut closer to the skull It would make more sense, but like I previously stated they were cut far down the neck without the hide being removed.

When it is in my hunting area yes I am gonna have concerns, I am sure you would be concerned if it was in your area also.

Possibly nothing, possibly something. Just stating what I found and what it looks like to me.




jjohnwm said:
Not trying to piss on your concerns here, but why did you even get the idea that you did? You ask what happened to the bones, to the hides, to the antlers...the parts that would typically go home with a hunter. Did somebody bone out these critters and leave the meat there? What did you find, exactly? It sounds like gutpiles and heads...maybe a bit sloppy in the disposal department, maybe a bit thoughtless and/or inconsiderate, but beyond that...???
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beefman said:
It seems the Ontario poachers eat their deer, not dump them.

I have only ever found one dumped carcass...a doe, that someone let hang too long, and it spoiled. :(
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Most of our poachers here in Ontario are market hunters selling illegally to restaurants in the GTA.... Oh yeah... and next time you buy a venison pepperette on a reserve, think for a minute where that came from....
 
this thread is usless .i am about to go out and dump three deer heads and legs .no hinds or bones just ribs legs and heads
 
You cannot Waste meat , . the hide, head, and unedible parts CAN legally be tossed /or left anywhere. The ravens, coyotes, mice, rats, wolves, bugs all get a feast too in this way , you have any idea how long it takes for the "remains" to disappear ? I do , It take roughly 2 days , and it's gone , usually not a trace. Nature is very efficient. nothing says you must keep the antlers. Meat is generally considered as being the front quarter , the hind quarter, the backstraps . The ribs don't have in general any meat worth keeping (on a whitetail) So , unless you found entire quarters laying there , no crime has been committed , BUT ! now what about the young ones ? were they entirely intact or same as the others ? honestly I don't go tossing my gut piles in the bush either, I drag my deer to where it's comfortable for me to field dress and be done with it , asap, and off I go . Nature deserves a feed in your kill too , and will gladly take the offering, and dispose of it better than you ever can .
Kelly Timoffee said:
Okay , going away from the main idea again.

It just looks too much like some animals were killed just for the antlers.As it appears to me. Sometimes you find bodies with no heads, sometimes you find heads with no antlers.

Here yes, on private land do as you wish ,dump where you want.Our landfill has specific area for animal waste and carcasses.For a price of course. I believe and I could be wrong, that if it is a public place it wouldn't be any different than an old washing machine , hamburger wrappers, or animals parts.

The coyotes and the birds will process the remains very efficiently, the thing that bothers me is the means and possible motives that happened previous to the dumping.

As for the same as road kill, that is unintentional. What do you think a LEO or CO what have to say if they witnessed you throwing bones and hides and heads into the ditch? Doubt the same as roadkill statement would help much.:p

Yes I am assuming here, but others are also assuming that they were taken legally.
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Kelly Timoffee said:
There were three severed heads with the antlers sawed out and one partial carcass.
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Hmmm. Someone's field dressing includes removing the head. Did you inspect the partial carcass? Could have been previously wounded and rotting, thus not fit for consumption.
 
I found a spot last week where someone had shot a deer right in town here in Winnipeg....
 
bearkilr said:
The ones that don't eat them and are only after antlers won't go through the effort of loading and dumping somewhere else. They leave them were they shot them,aside from the heads of course.

I'm really not seeing a big offence here. You said they were dumped in a "semi-used" gravel pit, whatever that means. It wasn't along the Transcanada Hwy.

You're not sure there was any meat wasted whatsoever, you just found three heads and a partial carcass, in a gravel pit. Where's the issue? :confused:
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I'm with you, I have an "unskinned head and gut pile" in my field right now, my own. If you're hunting for meat, why on earth would you skin out the head? I skin back to front, and pull the skin up as I go, ultimately cutting the head off attached to the skin, and disposing of it and the lower legs where the critters will make use of it. Sounds like this might be the case. No harm no fowl, though I can't judge on their chosen site. None of it will go to waste, that's for sure.
 
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