'Knock Off' Rifle Scopes? Is Nothing Sacred???

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I am just throwing this out there for the other homeless and disturbed black rifle geeks that live under rocks or in caves out in the wilderness. Y'all are probably up to speed on this already but it was news to me.

Apparently there are cudgels and blackhearts out there manufacturing knock off name brand scopes. The fella I spoke to said that for Leupold you need to get the original box with with serial numbers to distinguish between the real McCoy and the cheapie knock offs that are coming out of China.

Buyer beware I guess.
 
I looked into this as well. Actually to import for sale. If it seems too good to be true it is. Many of the knockoffs look great, and may actually function well. However on centrefire rifles in particular the offshore stuff won't stand up to the abuse.
 
IP might as well be TP in China (I do business there, I know)...

It is unmitigated crap for the most part and importing it would do a disservice to those who engineer and innovate quality products in the west.
 
There is all sorts of knockoff stuff, now I don't have a problem with cheap stuff on the market when that's what you want to use, but it's when it's sold off as the real McCoy then I have an issue. Even KAC stuff is copied and marked pretty darn close to the real stuff..
 
You've been here since 2005 yet this is news to you? This website is practically made in China, what with all the knock-off stuff around here, new and used. Whether it's threads or items for sale (EE or site sponsors) it's not an issue and encouraged, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because it tells the manufacturers to keep on doing their thing as there is obviously a market for it and it's not right pure and simple.
 
All of the knockoff stuff - scopes, rails, grips, stocks, whatever - is a direct result of the airsoft industry which has exploded in recent years.
 
I have a problem with people "knocking-off" stuff during the period when the creators should have exclusive rights to make or license the production; but after that legal period expires, I think it's a good thing that anyone-and-their-dog can copy or use the original as a basis to innovate.

Canada used to have the lowest drug costs in the developed world because we had among the shortest period of exclusive protection for new drugs.
Now we have drug patents that are nearly as long as the US's and our health system's drug costs are killing us.


I agree that printing "Aimpoint" or "Leupold" or "Rolex" on your knock-off is fraud; however, "look and feel" can't be protected, and shouldn't be.
 
AK said:
All of the knockoff stuff - scopes, rails, grips, stocks, whatever - is a direct result of the airsoft industry which has exploded in recent years.
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Ok i hate airsoft as much as the next guy, but that statement is pretty silly. Are you also implying that the knockoff rolexes and ###### all over the internet is also related to airsoft industry exploding in recent years? Knockoffs existed long before airsoft and will continue to exist as long as people are willing to buy fakes just to pretend to be something they are not.
 
ADK said:
You've been here since 2005 yet this is news to you? This website is practically made in China, what with all the knock-off stuff around here, new and used. Whether it's threads or items for sale (EE or site sponsors) it's not an issue and encouraged, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because it tells the manufacturers to keep on doing their thing as there is obviously a market for it and it's not right pure and simple.
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There's a big difference between a "knock-off" and an "imitation"... Knock-offs are illegal & immoral, imitations are acceptable because they're known to be inferior...

Although 'Norks' as they're commonly refered to (among other things) are made in China, they do not brand theirs as another Co's namesake.

And you know what they say, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"...
 
J0HN_R1 said:
There's a big difference between a "knock-off" and an "imitation"... Knock-offs are illegal & immoral, imitations are acceptable because they're known to be inferior...

Although 'Norks' as they're commonly refered to (among other things) are made in China, they do not brand theirs as another Co's namesake.

And you know what they say, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"...
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Oh I don't know. I think a pretty good lawyer could get around that arguement.
 
Redpoints said:
Ok i hate airsoft as much as the next guy, but that statement is pretty silly. Are you also implying that the knockoff rolexes and ###### all over the internet is also related to airsoft industry exploding in recent years? Knockoffs existed long before airsoft and will continue to exist as long as people are willing to buy fakes just to pretend to be something they are not.
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Um I think you missed his point, he was stating that the whole current flood of knock off GUN related parts can be traced to the air soft industry. Its not like they were not here before, but think about it, airsofters want the look and feel of real deal items, but don't want to pay 3000 for a real leupold scope for their "sniper" rifle. That opens up a market for cheap imitations. And when the market increases, so does the demand, and so does the amount of product being brought in.
 
hbean said:
What is even crazier is people pay more money for well known optics that were made under contract in the same facilities that made those NC Star junk :eek:
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The difference between those is QC, there are north americans paid specifically to go to China and check the QC of the batches of product that get sent here. I'll let you guess what happens to the product that is rejected ;).

Which is why you buy japanese or american scopes.
 
Most American glass is Chinese. If you want a quality optic look for European brands like Zeiss, Swarovski etc. who manufacture and coat their own lenses. Leupold is junk, and overpriced junk compared to the cheapie Chinese stuff.

The Americans sold their quality for dividends in the late 1980s.
 
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