Open Division Shadow?

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Now that I have a real CZ Shadow for production division in IPSC, I have been thinking of turning my quasi Shadow (tuned CZ SP-01) into a open gun for club matches. Yes I know 9mm Luger is minor (the reason for club matches only) but also I plan to use it in steel matches.

I been looking at the C-MORE Serendipity SL1000 for the optical sight with no other changes to the gun (maybe a mag well). Other than the cost of the sight and the services of a gunsmith to drill & tap the mounting holes, I will be good to go with a cost effective open gun. Oh, what size dot, 8 MOA? Any constructive comments?
 
Drill it and mount it properly, rail mounts are huge and unwieldy. Unless you have a plastic frame that can't be drilled I'd stay away from that option and get it drilled, tapped and mounted with locktite to make it as secure and rock solid as possible. An 8 moa dot should do fine, the bigger dots are a little easier to pick up for steel shooting. Otherwise a 6 or an 8 moa dot should work fine.
 
if you drill it and tap it, it is forever removed from Production Division.
 
Hummm, the STS sight is very interesting but no dovetail mount for the CZ, yet.
Drill & tap holes in the frame does remove the gun from production division forever. I have the Shadow for production. I want to play around in the open division without spending a lot of money on hardware.
 
Why dont you rather look around for an old open gun? .They occasionally appear here on the EE pages at not too bad prices.It would be a pity to be unable to use a shadow,which is such a great gun for production division because of holes drilled etc.

Open division is quite addictive and one of the really fun things about it is getting to play with the neat toys in this division.I would guess that you would get frustrated with a shadow in open pretty quickly,even though you are competing at club level and would want to move to something else
 
PH Racing said:
It's OK, once he tries Open he won't want to shoot Production w:h:
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You are more right than you know. I am at that age when guys start to move from production and standard division to open because they can no longer focus on the front sight. I've heard it said "open is the new production division for seniors." :p

I have thought of buying a older used open gun but quickly dismissed that. The cost of the C-MORE is a little over $300 plus the cost of having a gunsmith drill & tap six holes ($?).

I am not using my Shadow for this little project but my SP-01. The Shadow will be used in production. Maybe I just should pick up a used CZ clone (Norc) in .40 cal and drill that? At least the .40 will make major.
 
Why not find an older used open gun for sale? Something that has already been buggered with and someone is trying to unload cheap (like a few 1911s guys used to race with up on the EE)?
 
I guess he is trying to see the cheaper option. And used open gun option has already been suggested.
With Open gun, we in Canada are still limited to 10rds mags, so .40S&W caliber makes some sense, in USA they can run as many rounds as they can fit in 170mm mag. So .38Super and 9mm Major make a lot of sense. Some mags will fit 29 rounds with those calibers.
Compensator is one nice feature one can have on Open gun as per rulebook. I had a chance to shoot used CZ Champion last Fri, it is 9mm gun - recoil was comparable with .22LR, no muzzle flip, very fast trigger!!! It comes compensated. anyone can shoot 2x as fast and as accuratly or better with those guns, no kidding. Slide was moving back and forward - that was linear movement, front sight (it had no optics) was 'glued' to POA!!!

One can build Open gun on Shadow as it has stronger barrel compared to rest of CZ75/85 guns, but still, PF170 is not to joke around with with 9mm caliber, cases fail, mags get blown out and so on. I personally saw an Open gun blow up, I was 15 meters away from the guy, not a pretty picture.
 
PF for Open is 160 in Canada and 165 in the US. 9 major has been around for awhile and before that we shot 9x21 which is essentially the same when loaded in a short frame like the P9. Of course care has to be taken when loading any ammo but it's not any more unsafe, though it is higher pressure, than any other pistol round. The gun must be properly set up to run it, proper barrel, proper springs etc.
I have seen lots of regular 9, .40, .45, .38 spl and others blow up from poor loads, I can't say I've seen more open guns blow up than production or standard guns. Right off the top of my head I can remember seeing only one.
 
Making major in 9mm is a piece of cake at 160 PF especially with the variety of quality powders available. The very first SPO1 I ever handled- my first impression was "what an awesome open gun this would make." Coming from shooting small frame P9's and Tanfoglio's an SPO1 has lots of potential in my book. If you want a C-More, get a Tanfoglio mmount and drill and tap the frame and mount it as secure as possible like Pat mentioned. If you like the idea of an STS, there are frame mounts available for Tanfgolio which would work as well. Sky is the limit!
 
PH Racing said:
PF for Open is 160 in Canada and 165 in the US. 9 major has been around for awhile and before that we shot 9x21 which is essentially the same when loaded in a short frame like the P9. Of course care has to be taken when loading any ammo but it's not any more unsafe, though it is higher pressure, than any other pistol round. The gun must be properly set up to run it, proper barrel, proper springs etc.
I have seen lots of regular 9, .40, .45, .38 spl and others blow up from poor loads, I can't say I've seen more open guns blow up than production or standard guns. Right off the top of my head I can remember seeing only one.
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I stand corrected, PF160 in IPSC Open.
 
StoneHorse said:
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You are more right than you know. I am at that age when guys start to move from production and standard division to open because they can no longer focus on the front sight. I've heard it said "open is the new production division for seniors." :p

I have thought of buying a older used open gun but quickly dismissed that. The cost of the C-MORE is a little over $300 plus the cost of having a gunsmith drill & tap six holes ($?).

I am not using my Shadow for this little project but my SP-01. The Shadow will be used in production. Maybe I just should pick up a used CZ clone (Norc) in .40 cal and drill that? At least the .40 will make major.
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a week or so ago someone was selling a 9mm major top end with comp ect for a sp-01, said it only fit them and not shadows. was 700 iirc. could grab that, c-more and mount and build a full open gun, just play with springs and shoot minor at club or steel matches
 
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