Inadvertently bought a Sten MK2.....

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So I bought a bunch of stuff at a gunsmith estate sale this summer.

At the bottom of one of the boxes there was a small box with a disassembled 1944 Sten MK2. An attempt had been made at some point to modifiy the gun to deactivated status. However this is currently an un registered weapon.

Months pass and I finally get around to making some initial calls to the CPS and get some dialog going with a constable.

He made an inquiry to the CFO and put me in touch directly with them in NB.

They wanted to see pictures and measurements....etc... so thats fine, done.

The officer I am dealing with has faxed me the deactivation forms to have filled out by a gunsmith.

Now if I deactivate it, it will be done for good. No chance of rebuild ever.

The plan was to try and re sell this thing to someone who wanted to rebuild it as a semi, or someone who collects.

I have been told that I cannot re sell this thing, that someone with a prohib. licence would have to sell it for me.

Any ideas what I should do?

I suppose I could deactivate it and make it a wall hanger, but from my understanding I do have something of value so I donno.
 
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I should also add, they did have the rifles serial number in their DB.

However, one of the numbers has been modified and he suggested I check with the military to see if this was a stolen weapon to cover my ass....

No idea where I would even start to check that out (he did not have any idea either)
 
Let us know how you make out with that military serial number inquiry. Did they just leave you hanging on that or did they give you some assistance? Funny that we have a gun registry mandated by the Federal Government, and they don't even have their own guns in it.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
Let us know how you make out with that military serial number inquiry. Did they just leave you hanging on that or did they give you some assistance? Funny that we have a gun registry mandated by the Federal Government, and they don't even have their own guns in it.
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The RCMP does. I don't know about the CF?
 
If you intend to sell it to somone that will turn it into a semi, just remove all the parts from the magwell, and cut up the magwell, thats the part that is considered the receiver. then you can sell the remaining parts as a "parts kit"
when i received my parts kit from another board member here, the mag well was simple cut in half diagonally. PM me if you interested in selling it.
 
If they had the serial number, is it registered as a 12(2) or 12(3)?
You don't have many options.
If it is registered, it might be transferrable to someone with the appropriate PAL. A business licenced to handle prohibited firearms might be able to assist.
You could deactivate it to their specs.
You could surrender the receiver (stripped magazine housing), and sell the parts.
Or there is the possibility that the parts (less magazine housing) could be used to make a registered semi auto.
Frankly, I am surprised that you still have the gun.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
Let us know how you make out with that military serial number inquiry. Did they just leave you hanging on that or did they give you some assistance? Funny that we have a gun registry mandated by the Federal Government, and they don't even have their own guns in it.
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He said look in the blue pages! lol ( I have to say he was a very nice guy to deal with. )


bcsteve said:
The RCMP does. I don't know about the CF?
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The canadian forces keep their own database of their weapons.


zombiedfens said:
If you intend to sell it to somone that will turn it into a semi, just remove all the parts from the magwell, and cut up the magwell, thats the part that is considered the receiver. then you can sell the remaining parts as a "parts kit"
when i received my parts kit from another board member here, the mag well was simple cut in half diagonally. PM me if you interested in selling it.
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I am intrested in selling it. I suppose I could cut it.

tiriaq said:
If they had the serial number, is it registered as a 12(2) or 12(3)?
You don't have many options.
If it is registered, it might be transferrable to someone with the appropriate PAL. A business licenced to handle prohibited firearms might be able to assist.
You could deactivate it to their specs.
You could surrender the receiver (stripped magazine housing), and sell the parts.
Or there is the possibility that the parts (less magazine housing) could be used to make a registered semi auto.
Frankly, I am surprised that you still have the gun.
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This is a fully automatic weapon

The CFO told me not to worry about anybody crashing my front door in to retrieve the gun. Like I said, it has been somewhat modified but he wanted me to take it to a gun smith and have them verify and fill out the forms....

They were satisfied enough with the digital pictures i sent to not get too worried about it.
 
Nope, they know that even being a full auto sten, its constant failures to fire will make it slower operating than bolt action gun.
 
What had been done to it to deactivate it already?

Did what it had done already, constitute a deactivation at the time?

If so, it's deactivated and pretty much not a gun any more.

Maybe too late, but I suspect I would have had this join the ranks of the #### and click set, rather than the welded solid paperweight bunch that is the result of the new 'guidlines'.

Yours, not mine, though.

Cheers
Trev
 
if it was deactivated in the past , it is still legal, if it is not to the standard of today. although this doesn't mean they would not sieze it and cause you no end of problems .
adding a couple of welds will allow you to sell it with confidence that your part was done.and the letter from a licenced gunsmith is the way to go .
 
Yea I am going to take it down to proline and have him look at it.

Currently the barrel is welded, and is welded into the magwell.

The trigger also has a few spot welds on the pin.

I sent the CFO tech 10 high res detailed photos of what has been done.
 
I'd be pretty clear that I was trying to determine if the deact was legal at the time it was believed to have been done. If it was, you are pretty much home free, unless you choose to further weld it up.

Last Edmonton gunshow was interesting, as there were probably a half dozen German MP-40's present (I pondered whether they had all arrived on the same truck) , and they all seemed to be #### and clicks. There was a Sten there too, same. The face of the Sten bolt had been welded and ground flat, the barrel was plugged at the breech end with weld. I didn't go over it looking for detailed info, other than to note that it was a Long Branch, and not too expensive either (under $400).

Their probable answer if you asked them if this was a deact will be to tell you it is not, under the current guidelines. It may well actually be, under what was acceptable at the time. May be worthwhile to consider.

From a financial perspective, it may well be worth more once it has been run through a bandsaw, or parted out, unfortunately.

Cheers
Trev
 
zombiedfens said:
If you intend to sell it to somone that will turn it into a semi, just remove all the parts from the magwell, and cut up the magwell, thats the part that is considered the receiver. then you can sell the remaining parts as a "parts kit"
when i received my parts kit from another board member here, the mag well was simple cut in half diagonally. PM me if you interested in selling it.
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What ever became of the homemade semi stens?
There were a few people here that also made them here - Claven-with an online tutorial.
Wasn't that SKsten guy shut down because of the bolt being swapped to FA in minutes? Youtube Video.

So were any of the homemade Stens ever transferable and legal?

And it looks like the BD38 and BD3008 is transferrable again if you check out the dealers websites.
 
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