Norinco CQA front sight misaligned - works with BUIS, keeping the rifle

[furet]

You won't be able to turn the barrel if the notch in the upper is tight (should be).
Question to figure out is where is the problem:
- Bad upper.
- Barrel not installed correctly in extension
- Gas block not installed correctly, which could then cause gas port alignment issues.

I had an Oly 9mm that the upper hole for the barrel was cut at an angle, if you installed a freefloat handguard the barrel was not coming out in the center.....

 

[Can-down]

So do I need an ATT to return it to the store?

Yup,
You need the post offices address and yours and then call
1800 731 4000 then press 1 then 1 then 9512 for a short term att

They can email it to you.

 

[zupermann]

Geez, what is it with Norinco front sight units frequently being angled off center? They must have a cross eyed inspector at the end of the assembly line

 

[JeffMan]

My Norinco sight is to the far right. not all the way but its close.

My Stag was just as far.

It's not perfect but thats why they make the sight adjustable. Has anyone thought that maybe its fine?

It's just never bothered me.

 

[geologist]

My Norinco sight is to the far right. not all the way but its close.

My Stag was just as far.

It's not perfect but thats why they make the sight adjustable. Has anyone thought that maybe its fine?

It's just never bothered me.

I find that with a normal cheek weld aligned with my RDS I have to move my head a bit to the right to centre my front post. My worry is that when I install my rear BUIS it may not have enough right adustment to line up with the canted front sight. It's new from Marstar, might as well send it back and request one with a correctly set up front sight.

 

[heckler]

misalignment

Chances are the upper rec. was not milled square or barrel ext. poorly installed.If you have already damaged and returning is out of the question the buy a gas block that uses set screws to attatch and align that way--given everything else works

 

[zupermann]

The canted front sight really screws me up when shooting long distances. As the elevation changes, so does the windage. Since pretty well everyone uses optics, I'm sure many don't even notice/know about this problem, but it exists (just like UFO's and Bigfoot)

And, it's irritating as hell to have otherwise nice groups way off to one side when doing irons. (insert pic of guy blowing a gasket).

 

[geologist]

If I could be sure that a Troy or Magpul rear BUIS had enough right travel, I'd probably just leave it like it is. The rifle shoots great.

 

[greentips]

I think the spec is that if it is within 30 clicks from the center than it is good to go.

 

[JeffMan]

If I could be sure that a Troy or Magpul rear BUIS had enough right travel, I'd probably just leave it like it is. The rifle shoots great.

Mine was waaaaaaaay to the right side. I was also concerned if the Magpul BUIS wouldn't have the travel that the carry handle did. - guess what? my Magpul buis isn't as far to the side as my carry handle. In fact its nearly centred.

hmmmmmmmmm.... o-well. All is well that ends well.

 

[geologist]

I think the spec is that if it is within 30 clicks from the center than it is good to go.

Thanks GT. From the centreline of the rear sight the OEM aperture is about 2/3's of the way to the right for a centred zero at 50 yards.

Kinda like this. Would this be in spec?

l---------C------*--l

 

[geologist]

Mine was waaaaaaaay to the right side. I was also concerned if the Magpul BUIS wouldn't have the travel that the carry handle did. - guess what? my Magpul buis isn't as far to the side as my carry handle. In fact its nearly centred.

hmmmmmmmmm.... o-well. All is well that ends well.

Are you happy with the Magpul? If you don't mind, where did you buy it and how much was it?

I've read a lot of posts and many guys say buy the Troy.

 

[geologist]

Just ordered a rear Magpul from Questar as it was 11% off.

Errrrr,,,,,,,,,,,, has anyone noticed that once you buy a black rifle you constantly find yourself buying accessories for it at the same rate that Imelda Markos bought shoes?

 

[JeffMan]

Are you happy with the Magpul? If you don't mind, where did you buy it and how much was it?

I've read a lot of posts and many guys say buy the Troy.

I got mine from Fabsports for 65$

Yeah. I'm very happy with it and see no reason why it shouldnt be run as a serious BUIS. Its got some advantages like it'll close when you bump it on a door frame instead of sheering off or bending.

I've used the MI and the ARMS #40 (I think thats what it is - I'd have to check)

 

[Bolivar]

Just ordered a rear Magpul from Questar as it was 11% off.

Errrrr,,,,,,,,,,,, has anyone noticed that once you buy a black rifle you constantly find yourself buying accessories for it at the same rate that Imelda Markos bought shoes?

I know what you mean. I used to laugh at the tacticool AR guys. Now it's like I'm a junkie.

 

[Bolivar]

Just ordered a rear Magpul from Questar as it was 11% off.

Great, now I have to look. I don't even need a BUIS...yet. But I might...someday...damn....I'm hooked bad.

 

[dangertree]

Yeah, one was sold, noticed, and returned it seems. I heard they sent them back.

Actually, one was purchased, shown to Alberta Tactical Rifle, who either agreed with, or told the customer, incorrectly, that the sight was canted, and advised the customer return their rifle to TSE and purchase a rifle from ATR. The TSE customer returned the rifle unfired. I know this as the ATR employee posted this, and I read it shortly after being contacted by TSE.

I have heard about the 'canted front sight' from two people here, one was Suputin, the employee of ATR, the other is yourself, thus, am I correct in assuming that you are the customer who returned the 2T and informed TSE that all four of their rifles were faulty? TSE told me the person who returned the rifle made the diagnosis on the other three rifles they had on the shelf, and the customer requested a refund, which they issued.

The post I read from Saputin, the next I heard after talking with TSE...

Have to disagree with that. I saw a Stag the other day that had the front sight base visibly canted off to one side. This was on a brand new rifle. We sent the owner back to the store where he bought it and they went through their entire inventory only to find that every single one of their Stag rifles had the same canted front sight base.

That customer decided he wasn't happy with a brand new rifle that had such an obvious defect so he came and let us build him a custom rifle. We spent a whole bunch of time going through options and choices and in the end the rifle turned out beautifully. You should have seen the smile on his face when he saw it all completed.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4776892&postcount=19

Then I saw from yourself...

I saw some a Stag the other day with the front sight canted to the left, maybe 8-12 degrees. Barrel was aligned properly, it seems whomever did the relief cuts in the barrel did them wrong, thus the FSP was crooked.

I wasn't 100% sure what some of that meant. But I made the assumption that you were the customer?

Tell that to the 4 Stag Arms with canted front sights I saw at TSE.

My best guess is that someone confused a flash mark on the FBS for an indexing point. Either that or someone was just flat out misled. The front sight is, of course, indexed by the post and the machined flat on the FSB, not by a forge mark.

The sights were straight.

If I can add in conversation, when an individual mistakes something, it's one thing. When a dealer representative defames a product, posts about it here, be it by ignorance or intentional malice, the legal term would be defamation.

The Stags have a lifetime warranty, no matter where purchased. The sights were straight on the rifles, just like all the rest of them.

 

[dangertree]

No iron clad guarantee for Stags at TSE eh..... Ya Marstar!

I've bought used guns that were poorly indexed but if I bought one new like that it would be going back for a fix ,exchange or refund.

Are you saying TSE has some for sale that are canted?

If that's the case maybe they are just running a test to see how perceptive their customers are?
Or maybe they haven't noticed..... Did you talk to them about it?

A customer told them they were misalligned. They weren't.

The Stags at TSE don't have a 1-year warranty, they have a LIFETIME warranty.

Any other questions/comments I can deal with?

 

[Can-down]

A customer told them they were misalligned. They weren't.

The Stags at TSE don't have a 1-year warranty, they have a LIFETIME warranty.

Any other questions/comments I can deal with?

That makes more sense? ( the warranty part)

Seems weird that the customer was claiming a poor index and the people at the shop couldn't straighten him out and show him that they were fine!
But hey some people are hard to deal with and only see what they want to see...

Usually it's obvious if a barrel is poorly indexed and even more so if you can sight down the top and there is a flat surface to eyeball off of....

 

[dangertree]

That makes more sense? ( the warranty part)

Seems weird that the customer was claiming a poor index and the people at the shop couldn't straighten him out and show him that they were fine!
But hey some people are hard to deal with and only see what they want to see...

Usually it's obvious if a barrel is poorly indexed and even more so if you can sight down the top and there is a flat surface to eyeball off of....

True.

A flash mark being anything but exactly up and down can be assumed by mistake to be an indication of index. I hope that was the case here.

We were called immediately after the customer left the store and before the gunsmith examined the firearms. I think it was good customer service of TSE to issue a refund to a customer who believed his rifle was defective, and wanted a refund. (and as we later found out, had already purchased a replacement).