Centrefire rifle caliber limitations southern Ontario?

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I think the regulation is .270 or less south of Mattawa river area for all of southern ontario? Is this for all game? Are there some WMUs that have rifle limitations? I have read of this years booklet and cant find the info anywhere in it. Also a search of the MNR website isnt pulling up the regulation.

This caliber restriction isnt limited to just Deer is it? My buddy swears up and down that you can use .308 to hunt coyote outside of Guelph. I thought you couldnt.

Does anybody have a link to the actual reg or more info on this? thanks
 
generally 270 cal is max where restrictions are in place. Lots of countys don`t have restrictions. Reg specific you have to check for your area. Doesn`t make a lot of sense these days that you can use your .270 Weatherby Mag to shoot coyotes but not your 30.30 Winchester. I think the original reason for the restriction was to keep the military firearms out of the farm country hayfeilds and woodlots, not so much of an issue for present days but we are still left with the LAWS
 
Here is the section, it is county specific. This applies to small game only.

The holder of a small game licence may not use a rifle of
greater calibre than .275, except a flintlock or percussion
cap muzzle-loading gun, for hunting small game in
the counties of Brant, Elgin, Essex, Huron, Lambton,
Middlesex, Northumberland, Oxford, Perth and
Wellington and the regional municipalities of Chatham/
Kent, Durham, the former regional municipalities of
Haldimand-Norfolk and Hamilton-Wentworth, Halton,
Niagara, Peel, Waterloo and York and the City of Toronto.
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Guelph being in the county of Wellington, it would be illegal to use a 308 Win for yotes. Coyote is considered a small game.


Page 71 of the hunting regs;

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/document/251888.pdf

"The holder of a small game licence may not use a rifle of greater calibre than .275, except a flintlock or percussion cap muzzle-loading gun, for hunting small game in
the counties of Brant, Elgin, Essex, Huron, Lambton,Middlesex, Northumberland, Oxford, Perth and Wellington and the regional municipalities of Chatham/Kent, Durham, the former regional municipalities of Haldimand-Norfolk and Hamilton-Wentworth, Halton,
Niagara, Peel, Waterloo and York and the City of Toronto."
 
thanks guys, I read it a few times but couldnt find it. Its getting confusing with all these different dates, times and regs that vary from county to county.
 
^^^So why do I hear guys refering to it as "shotgun" season for deer in southern Ontario? Looks like you can use the 30-30 etc for deer anywhere in Ontario during the gun season?
 
TonyMo said:
^^^So why do I hear guys refering to it as "shotgun" season for deer in southern Ontario? Looks like you can use the 30-30 etc for deer anywhere in Ontario during the gun season?
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Check the Regs. The reason guys refer to the 'shotgun' season is because that's what it is - NO RIFLES of any caliber for deer in that WMU. This is known as the 'Contolled Hunt'. Muzzle Loaders and Bows are also included in Controlled Hunts - it's especially important to understand what your WMU allows for a firearm (also defined in the Regs). One area [76] allows rifles in the controlled hunt! Huh? Just be careful! And, read the Regs!

There are open season rifle areas for deer farther north starting at about Bracebridge/Huntsville - need to check the Regs myself to know exactly where the line is.

Check with other experienced hunters in the area you intend to hunt AND read the Regs. It's published and the MNR/OPP won't forgive you for not understanding what's written.

This is a good thing to talk about and understand before you head out!

Good luck - SD
 
TonyMo said:
^^^So why do I hear guys refering to it as "shotgun" season for deer in southern Ontario? Looks like you can use the 30-30 etc for deer anywhere in Ontario during the gun season?
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No, because the regs for deer hunting specify if there are any restrictions for firearms (based on WMU's)....like shotgun/ML only, bow only, etc.
 
^^^Thanks for explaining that. I have hunted moose in northern Ontario all of my adult life and just started bow hunting deer in southern Ontario. I still find the regs very confusing. Just when you think you have it fiqured out, there always seems to be exceptions depending on where you hunt.
 
TonyMo said:
^^^Thanks for explaining that. I have hunted moose in northern Ontario all of my adult life and just started bow hunting deer in southern Ontario. I still find the regs very confusing. Just when you think you have it fiqured out, there always seems to be exceptions depending on where you hunt.
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Have read law most of my adult life and I find them confusing.

First thing you have to do is toss out any common sense or try to reason "but why"! lol
 
To add to the confusion I once called the MNR to clarify something for me and he had no idea on what the rule was other to say just don't use a .270. My question was can I use a .270 because the law states nothing larger then a .275 calibre when technically using a 270 would be larger then .275 as it is a .277, or am I being too anal.
 
You can a 270 down here. Other the varmits and coyotes you can't use them for much. I think a 270 is a lil to heavy for coyotes but hey I'm using a 25-06 for long shots
 
Dukester said:
Have read law most of my adult life and I find them confusing.

First thing you have to do is toss out any common sense or try to reason "but why"! lol
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Forty percent of Canadians are illiterate. If internet surfers, who tend to be well informed and literate, can't figure it out, what about everyone else?

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/307245

Whether by accident or by intent,they are creating a system where they can prosecute large numbers of people with all these regulations.
 
This Mattawa river thing is crap. Where the hell did it come from? I live more then 100km south of the Mattawa river and have NO rifle restrictions. This is gotta be the most misunderstood law in Canada.

Here is the regs (from the small game section)

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/document/239852.pdf

Firearms
In an area where there is an open gun season for deer,
moose or black bear, if you are the holder of a small game
licence you may not possess or use a rifle of greater
calibre or projectile power than a .22 calibre rim-fire rifle
chambered to .22 short, .22 long or .22 long rifle cartridges
or shells loaded with ball or with shot larger than No. 2 shot
(or if using non-toxic shot, you may not use steel shot larger
than triple BBB steel shot, or bismuth shot that is larger
than double BB bismuth shot), unless you possess a valid
licence to hunt deer, moose or black bear as the case may be.
NOTE: See proposed changes on page 4 regarding
firearms.
The holder of a small game licence may not use a rifle of
greater calibre than .275, except a flintlock or percussion
cap muzzle-loading gun, for hunting small game in
the counties of Brant, Elgin, Essex, Huron, Lambton,
Middlesex, Northumberland, Oxford, Perth and
Wellington and the regional municipalities of Chatham/
Kent, Durham, the former regional municipalities of
Haldimand-Norfolk and Hamilton-Wentworth, Halton,
Niagara, Peel, Waterloo and York and the City of Toronto.
 
ff33 said:
To add to the confusion I once called the MNR to clarify something for me and he had no idea on what the rule was other to say just don't use a .270. My question was can I use a .270 because the law states nothing larger then a .275 calibre when technically using a 270 would be larger then .275 as it is a .277, or am I being too anal.
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The regulation specifies "rifle of greater than .275." While the bullets are .277" the rifle measured land to land is under .275."
 
"...for all of Southern Ontario?..." No. Only some municipalities. As daft as it is. Rules made by idiot civil servants. You have to read the municipality by-laws. Usually found on the municipality's site.
Some, mostly in Southwestern Ontario, say nothing greater than .275, by the cartridge name. So a .275 Weatherby Magnum or a .270 Win are ok, but a .276 Pedersen, if you could find one, is not.
Some municipalities, mostly near TO, say .270, also by the cartridge name.
"...Peel...and the City of Toronto..." Always laugh at those.
 
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