17 HMR Savage Misfire

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I just bought a 17 HMR Savage 93R17 BTVSS from a fellow Nutter whos name i will not say at this time, Took it outta the case today for the first time and Tried it. Well after Firing about 50 shells, and about 40 Misfiring the first time i hit the trigger, does anyone have any idea's what might be going on???
tried 3 different types of ammo.
But it seems like the first time i pull the trigger, pull the bolt then fire it again there is a different feel to the trigger the second time, and then it will fire. Any ideas??? It does bent the shell the first time, but just wont go off.
Not a Very Happy Camper.......

Thanks for Any Imput.....
 
I agree, clean it good first. Check everything out from the firing pin to the trigger, if somethings up you should be able to spot it.

Definatly not the ammo if you tried 3 kinds, definatly not typical of a savage.
 
I have the same model. It missfires about once every 50-60 rounds from new. I have tried cleaning and adjusting acutrigger but still no better. I was thinking maybe needed breaking in but has had over 300 rounds and no better. So now I see its not just me.
 
Funny that yo would mention this issue about rimfire misfiring... I have a Savage 22 Mag Stainless, composite stock with accu trugger. And I do keep it clean always. And it misfires... Not too long ago I had my sites on a Yote and tried to fire (with Hornady V-max) and it misfired twice in a row... With two different shells feeding form the same clip. Needless to say the Yote didn't hang around for Mr. Murphy to leave the scene. I have found that Rimfires sometimes do this, and it's not always based on the ammo that's used. I also use a Ruger 10-22 and it rarely ever misfires. So I'm wondering about the firing pin and primers that are commonly used in rimfire ammo. The Savage is accurate enough, but I share the same concern about issues around the misfiring.

I've thought about moving up to a Browning rimfire and wondering if I will experience the same problem. Or, will a slightly better rifle have fewer (and hopefully no misfires).

Perhaps one of our CGN "smiths" or someone who has a lot more experience with rimfire rifles can better answer your (and my) question on misfiring of rimfire rifles.
 
guys we are talking Rim-Fire! and it could very well be the rimmed primer case. no this isn't bulk ammo your talking about, but it's still a rimfire case & primer system. fallow the other members advice and clean the gun very well.
 
Just curious what the imprint of the firing pin on the case looks like? I've certainly never had hmr ammo problems, nor with the savage I have. Enough crud might keep the pin from proper hard contact as the others suggest. Best of luck.
 
I know the accu-trigger is messed with frequently by people to try and lighten the trigger pull, sometimes putting a new spring out of a ball point pen or cutting a few coils off the stock spring etc. My bet would be something along these lines. Not sure how to remedy it, possibly by adjusting the trigger pull to its maximum setting. I have a savage 93R17 which has never misfired from the day it was new, so the rifles will work.
 
I suspect the problem can be easily solved. Before I invest a bunch of time in a post covering all possibilities, is the rim getting a significant dent in it when it misfires?
 
Yes mine is the same. It does dent the Rim, but not as deep as when it does fire. I am thinkin it has something to do with the trigger, although it doesnt make sense that, that seems to be the only thing that could be happening.
I am going to take the bolt apart, adn clean it up, clean up the firing pin and such and set my trigger a little heavier, and see what happens.......

Thanks
 
So there are two possible issues:

1. The firing pin (really a plate) is not sliding freely. With the bolt in your hand, shake it back and forth. The firing plate should rattle back and forth freely.

To work on it, remove the C shaped spring trying not to stretch it. Take careful note of the spring notches, and the parts location. See this photo.

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Check the firing plate (and the extractor plates while you are at it) for burs and stone the sides to make sure they are clean and flat. Remove any gunk from the slots they are in. I find an aerosol throttle body cleaner from Canadian Tire works well. Check that the plates slide freely in the slots. When you put it back together, put the firing plate in first, then the C spring next. But, before you put the C spring on, scrunch it down between your fingers to restore the tension. It has to fit tight. Last slide the extractor plates in from the end of the bolt. They should hook into the notches in the C spring. Finally check again that the firing plate is free to rattle back and forth when you shake the bolt. Don't use any more oil than the residual from the throttle body cleaner.

2. If that does not work, then the firing plate may be contacting the face of the barrel, and limiting the depth it can dent the rim. The firing plate extends out beyond the rim of the cartridge and is designed to hit the barrel face when dry firing to protect the chamber rim from damage. But, if it is too long then it can cause mis fires. You simply have to file it down some to increase the depth of the strike, but not so much that you can damage the chamber edge when dry firing.

One of the two should work. I would also use the throttle body cleaner on the rest of the bolt to make sure you do not have gunk or excessive oil in it. The only part of the bolt that needs some serious lube is the cocking ramp at the rear. I keep a little EP silicone grease on that ramp. If you don't the pin that slides on the ramp can gall.

There is no need to set your trigger heavier. That has nothing to do with it, unless the AccuTrigger is locking up on you. In that case you will not even get the trigger to pull.

Hope that helps,
 
@Ron AKA - if I understand your post, there is a feature that protects the actual firing pin when dry firing the Savage Rimfire. Is this a "limited use" feature or would it protect the rifle if you were to do regular dry fire practice like you can with a Ruger rimfire or any centerfire?
 
bikeinxs said:
@Ron AKA - if I understand your post, there is a feature that protects the actual firing pin when dry firing the Savage Rimfire. Is this a "limited use" feature or would it protect the rifle if you were to do regular dry fire practice like you can with a Ruger rimfire or any centerfire?
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If you look at the photo in my post you can the long flat part of the firing plate that sticks out further. When you dry fire it smacks against the barrel face. I don't do it intentionally for practice, but have dry fired many times when setting the trigger pull, and just by accident. I have not seen any damage to the face of the firing plate, but there is a bit of a mark on the barrel face. The good thing is that it is a good distance away from the chamber rim, so I think no harm has been done in the 100 or so times I have done it. But not sure how long you could continue to dry fire, but suspect it is a lot.
 
That's a good explaination to addressing the possible reasons why a Savage rimfire can misfire. I've owned one Lakefield 22 and two Savage 22 Mags and saw the same problem. I had a friend pretty-much explain the same concept(s) and methodology that can be used to rectify the problem. I was real reluctant to mess with the plate with a small file. With your careful description it will be easy to disassemble the bolt and check for the issues you have identifed, before I decide to file the plate a tad. Thanks for again Ron AKA for your imput.
 
Misfires

If you do take the firing pin out, pay attention to the extractors. See the posted photo. There is one with a hook on it that goes on the right side of the bolt, and the rounded one goes on the left side. If you reverse them, then the next post we'll see is "MY RIFLE WILL NOT EXTRACT THE EMPTY SHELLS."

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