Varrying degrees of breaking the law or poaching, etc...

[Northman999]

I tend to be a black and white kind of fellow and so I have to agree with the guys who state you either are breaking the law or not, period.

This does not mean that anyone, including a CO who knows what you did, will give a crap whatsosever, but you do leave yourself open to prosecution.

The biggest gray area I find is legal hunting light. In thirty years of hunting I know NOBODY who actually looks up the formal sunrise and sunset times etc, or who actually pays real attention to it. And I've never heard of anyone up here being ticketed or even warned for a bit of an early start or late finish. I tend to stop a bit on the early side myself, as I hate gutting out big game with a flashlight in my mouth, but I know that most guys I've hunted with basically shoot as late as they can see through their scopes; which seems about a half hour after I've called it a night in terms of shooting. I honestly do not think of those guys as poachers, and I know they do not consider themselves to be such.

 

[Dench]

bearkilr is correct, again another grey area!!!

There are things that sometimes are defective or become out of sync so to say without us knowing. Be honest with the judge and LEO and they will work with you.

ahh ok thats good hopefully it never happends to me though

 

[Dogleg]

Most folks can't set their their own speedometer so even though technically you would be speeding it wouldn't be your fault if the calibration was off,barring you changing tire size etc.

I was serious about the time question because I've wondered about it before...
a few minutes here or there...how do you know WHO's got the correct time?
Does LE require a synchronizing every shift so as to be sure that THEIR time is correct,or are hunters at risk if the CO has a crappy watch that runs 5 fast

it's something I've wondered about for years and actually had an "indiglow" watch on the riser of my bow so I knew the "real" time.

A few years ago people may have argued about the proper time,now someone would pull out a cell phone and go with the time at the tower. I can't remember when we quit haveing to set those, but it's been awhile.

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

Another problem which can be monitor by GPS I guess, is that your legal time changes as you travel east to west from a certain area, so you may have a time for a certain city/locale but when you get to your spot it could be slightly different. I guess that is another reason that the CO's would be extremely lenient for this particular event.

Also I have never encountered a CO during the dusk/dawn of the day. It appears to me that they do their cruising during the day, I am guessing for safety reasons. I think that an early shot is a much less stressful situation than an evening shot, just due to the fact that you aren't tracking or gutting in the dark. Personally , I also shut things down right at legal sunset or there abouts as to give me that 30 minutes to get out of my area. To me, If I can identify my animal and surroundings then it is safe to shoot which, I would imagine is very close to 30 min prior anyways.

Most folks can't set their their own speedometer so even though technically you would be speeding it wouldn't be your fault if the calibration was off,barring you changing tire size etc.

I was serious about the time question because I've wondered about it before...
a few minutes here or there...how do you know WHO's got the correct time?
Does LE require a synchronizing every shift so as to be sure that THEIR time is correct,or are hunters at risk if the CO has a crappy watch that runs 5 fast

it's something I've wondered about for years and actually had an "indiglow" watch on the riser of my bow so I knew the "real" time.

 

[tactical870]

You guys tell me. I wounded a doe several years ago with the muzzleloader. Hit her too far back (liver shot) with several minutes of legal shooting light left. I gave her 15 minutes then followed the blood trail for 350 yards. It was pitch black and I figured she'd bleed out soon enough. I went to town, picked up a friend and a coffee and returned several hours later. I jumped her in the middle of a field and several hours after dark, had to unencase my gun and fire a kill shot into a fatally wounded and suffering doe. Now I realize this was illegal however ethically I couldn't let that deer suffer. As far as I am concerned, this was the most ethical solution.

 

[joe-nwt]

Yeah, but what if I pull the trigger at legal hunting time and by time the bullet gets to the deer it's no longer legal time?


You guys are funny.......

 

[pres717]

pres717

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SOR-98-205/index.html


Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms) (SOR/98-205)

ALTERNATIVE CERTIFICATION
12. With respect to an Aboriginal individual who is at least 18 years old, paragraph 7(4)(a) of the Firearms Act is adapted such that a chief firearms officer shall certify, in the prescribed circumstances, such an individual who meets the prescribed criteria relating to the safe handling and use of firearms and the laws relating to firearms.

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in other words, no PAL or POL is required, nor is registering a Long Arm.
If they wish to own/purchase a Restricted they must comply.

Thanks for the reference. Not sure if you have read the following article from the NFA (The Firearms Act and Canada's First Nations), but if not it is an interesting read:

http://www.nfa.ca/node/124

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

Here in Sask you must notify the CO's as to what and where you are doing it and there will be no problems. More to protect yourself from wrongful accusations. I have also heard that they will sometimes come and help out or at least monitor the situation/area for you. Most of the CO's are pretty good about things around here.

You guys tell me. I wounded a doe several years ago with the muzzleloader. Hit her too far back (liver shot) with several minutes of legal shooting light left. I gave her 15 minutes then followed the blood trail for 350 yards. It was pitch black and I figured she'd bleed out soon enough. I went to town, picked up a friend and a coffee and returned several hours later. I jumped her in the middle of a field and several hours after dark, had to unencase my gun and fire a kill shot into a fatally wounded and suffering doe. Now I realize this was illegal however ethically I couldn't let that deer suffer. As far as I am concerned, this was the most ethical solution.

 

[greywolf]

honestly , i find all of this funny as hell. Here's my take , don't like it too bad . My land , my animals , don't take more than you need ! I buy all my tags , every year, even tags that I don't hunt , I buy ALL tags available... the $ go for conservation , i do not ever eat "Farmed" meat , period ! I am a sustinance hunter, i could care less about the rack or teeth or skull size . I waste nothing ! IF i were to not fill my tags during the season, and I run out of meat in say , february march , I will go and get more, ...only what I need, and then on my land no where else. Call it poaching , call it what you want *I* am far more ethical, than 90 percent of the hunters out there , i have seen entire carcasses left to rot .... only the head gone ..... i have seen the ROAD HUNTERS ...... cruising the backroads, ....all illegal..... then there's the natives who hunt whatever whenever they want , and the list goes on and on and on ...... to me , the guy that is unethical ,and those that shoot anything and everything, no tags, etc.... that is the poacher.... not anything else. There is so much waste it's ridiculous ,. Where I hunt the Co's have turned a blind eye to the hutterites , they are shooting EVERYTHING that moves, to keep their crops happy ! It's all about $ , nothing more

 

[BrotherRockeye]

A few years ago people may have argued about the proper time,now someone would pull out a cell phone and go with the time at the tower. I can't remember when we quit haveing to set those, but it's been awhile.

I can appreciate that...but where I live there is no cell service...or hi speed internet...
my GPS works but it takes longer to find satellites here than close to town

greywolf said a mouthful...reminds me of a line from a real good tune

and a man's got a right to hang some meat when he's livin this far from town

 

[Applefarmer]

Pres717 I do not give a hoot what the National Firearms Association says, I gave you the act from the Canadian Government web site. The Ass ociaton does not make the law.

 

[frank derbyshire]

asdsaas

 

[Applefarmer]

There is no such thing as crop insurance for apples period. Accept the 1/4 of a cent a pound for grounders or what ever. Super Dave/Crazy Dave is planning on picking and splitting the profits of this win fall as he can pick faster than any other human.

Super Dave, there's 20 bushels to a bin. We'll rough it out to 800lb a bin. I would expect you to pick 4 bins a day. I know it's hard math, but that's $20 a day GROSS. Now learn

Government must be paid for each acre of apples.

Pruning takes a bit of time and must be done before spring, this also has to be paid.

Chemicals and spray must be paid as well as the prayer and equipment overhaul.

Fertilizer must be paid as well as the person applying it.

Grass must be cut to keep the weeds, mice and voles down.

Business insurance must be paid.

Someone has to be paid to fix the Super Fence pretty much daily.


needless to say equipment must be kept up, employees are not necessarily reliable. Prices Fluctuate.

There's not enough money to pay for Nova never mind everyone else or the Government, but Super Dave is now paying a subsidy for the PRIVILEGE of being a know it all. Hell I didn't even bother adding in Deer damage, transportation, taxes.

 

[frank derbyshire]

adadad

 

[the keepa]

You guys tell me. I wounded a doe several years ago with the muzzleloader. Hit her too far back (liver shot) with several minutes of legal shooting light left. I gave her 15 minutes then followed the blood trail for 350 yards. It was pitch black and I figured she'd bleed out soon enough. I went to town, picked up a friend and a coffee and returned several hours later. I jumped her in the middle of a field and several hours after dark, had to unencase my gun and fire a kill shot into a fatally wounded and suffering doe. Now I realize this was illegal however ethically I couldn't let that deer suffer. As far as I am concerned, this was the most ethical solution.

I agree.
A few years ago a lady in our hunt club wounded a huge buck in the late afternoon. Losing it's trail in the snow, she drove home and returned with her husband , near the end of legal shooting light . As they prepared to set out on the blood trail they were accosted by a CO who said he would charge them with hunting after dark , even after they explained to him that there was a big storm moving and it's tracks would be covered up by morning.
After replacing their rifle back in the truck, grabbing an axe and flashlight and again setting out on the trail the Co said that he would charge them with harrassing wildlife if they continued..
So they went home ,then returned a couple of hours later . Her husband picked up the trail where she had lost it but the storm soon moved in and wiped out any remaining sign .
A couple of days later they followed the ravens into a spot a couple of hundred yards from where they had to give up....so they got the rack at least .

 

[the keepa]

I know a lot of poachers , many of them are superb shots and very, very comfortable in the bush .
I would never turn anyone in for any kind of poaching , even when some of their tactics are abhorrent to me , not when the law turns a blind eye to the much greater slaughter perpetuated in the name of traditional and aboriginal rights .

 

[pres717]

In reference to Applefarmer's post, I spoke with the CFO here in Quebec last summer and they told me that the Inuit still have to register their non-restricteds. So there is some conflicting info out there.

Perhaps my viewpoint is a bit different than other Canadians because I am living and raising my family (as people would say) "on their land". I know our Native peoples have been wronged very badly in the past (and even so today), but why do I have less rights soly based on my non-native status? This is still my Canada. I respect my neighbours and love living here, just sometimes it is frusterating.

For example I went to the local store today and a girl I knew was buying a shotgun for her relative for Christmas. No PAL presented and registration will not be done.

The government treats me with less respect.

I was helping someone skin a caribou he just hunted in his shed some time ago, and a local woman saw me and reported me to the local officials, and someone was there in five minutes questioning me.

The Quebec government sent out a memo last year saying that it is against the law for a non-benificiary (does not have Inuit status) to recieve "traditionally harvested" (Inuit hunted) animal meat or fish as a gift. The only "traditional food" we can legally consume from the Inuit is the fish from a specific business because he has a business licence and is licenced to sell (he pays taxes basically). In reality, no one is going to fine me if my neighbour brings me some fish from his trip, but I don't like dumb laws there (even if they are not being enforced). So I am breaking the law by eating food that is given to me from my neighbour.

Just venting I guess.

 

[Dogleg]

I can appreciate that...but where I live there is no cell service...or hi speed internet...
my GPS works but it takes longer to find satellites here than close to town

greywolf said a mouthful...reminds me of a line from a real good tune

Bet the warden has a cell phone.Or a sat. Or a radio. Point being, a discussion over whose watch is right wouldn't last long.

 

[crazydave]

Crazydave
"No offence but this post has got to be the most IDIOTIC CRAP I HAVE READ! If you farm land fence it properly or quit complaining end of story!

We used to live by some ranchers that would let their cattle roam without fence maintence and eventually they would have to come and pick up their DEAD cattle at the house, just because they ate the crop did not mean we owned the cattle but we had the right to protect our land, most places offer crop insurance for WILDLIFE DAMAGE, AND THE MNR WILL USUALLY HELP IF THERE IS A PROBLEM BUT CHARGING PEOPLE FOR WILDLIFE THAT IS NOT YOURS IS MORONIC TO SAY THE LEAST"

No offence but you MUST be the stupidest s**t in Canada. To fence deer you would need 8 foot + chain link fence, the cost would be huge. They tried something like that near huntsville ontario for elk, elk went right thru it. Normal fence deer clear it no problem. WHO DOES OWN THE WILD LIFE RETARD SO I CAN SEND THEM THE BILL FOR THE DAMAGE. DO YOU OWN THE DEER WHEN YOU KILL IT? IF SO, PAY UP MORON. If my cattle damage someones property they have the right to sue me. But good normal neighbours would call before shooting and even help because there is fencing laws that state you and the neighbour have to pay for the maintance of the fence line. Do you understand crop insurance at all, if you did you would know they take the average per acre and pay a small amount, you use it ONLY if you have close to a total crop loss.
No offence but please try to get your head out of your a** before making senseless comments.

Sounds like you are the one wanting stuff for free, making profits off wildlife,


1 - I don't live in ontario, glad that i don't for that matter but if the government does not offer insurance look into private insurance as it can usually be obtained.

2- People like you and applefarmer are the type THAT MAKE ALL FARMERS LOOK BAD!, I grew up on a farm, it wasn't very large, but one thing that made even most of the other farmers around sick was the type that wanted to get something for free! Most people pay enough in taxes that paying someone for hunting AFTER WE ALREADY PAY THE GOVERNMENT TO LOOK AFTER THE NATURAL RESOURCES WOULD BE LOOKED AT AS A SLAP IN THE FACE!

So in short if you have a problem with wildlife deal with it by doing something about it, INSTEAD OF #####ING ON A PUBLIC FORUM HOW THE PUBLIC OWES YOU EVERYTHING MAYBE PUT YOUR INTERNET TROLLING TIME INTO DOING SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SOLVING YOUR PROBLEMS! iF YOU SPENT HALF THE TIME YOU SPEND COMPLAINING YOUR PROBLEMS WOULD BE SOLVED.

 

[crazydave]

What i am trying to get across is that allowing access to responsible hunters who ask and are respectfull helps the farmers by controlling the problem for them, there is no reason someone should have to pay to help someone out.
Around the area i live most responsible people will offer to help, they let farmers know of damage to their fences and often offer to help repair fences, but some farmers keep wanting MORE.

And the comment about cattle being killed was due to people who did not care their cattle was getting out! more than twice a week for over a month their cattle were eating all the grain, with no offer of repayment. WE STILL DID NOT KEEP THE CATTLE AS WE DID NOT OWN IT, OR SELL IT FOR $10.00 TO STRANGERS. The owners were told to come and get their 2 dead cows, AFTER THAT THEY FIXED THE PROBLEM SO IT DID NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE, AND THERE WERE NO MORE PROBLEMS, NO MORE INSTANCES TO REPORT.

So in that case it just needed to show them responsibilty and they fixed the problem. Just don't like people who try to get every thing they can from others who may try to HELP them! if you want to insult me for having princibles go ahead, just further proves what i think of you even more!