Varrying degrees of breaking the law or poaching, etc...
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Then there's wasteing of edible meat. Is a liver left on a gut pile poaching? How about the pancreas?
Our game laws are set up so everyone is breaking the law.
bearkilr
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BS............... Perhaps in SK and AB, not in all of Canada.
You mean like everywhere else in the world except North America?
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So as we all can see, the amount of grey areas within the regulations is staggering. So complaining about 3 minutes prior to legal hunting is really non-issue.
I do know locals that figure if the animals are on their land it is thier animals to do so as they wish. Very scary thinkin.
I do know locals that figure if the animals are on their land it is thier animals to do so as they wish. Very scary thinkin.
So you'd welcome privatization of wildlife? You'd like to pay for a membership for the privilage of hunting private property?
I own land, so it'd be a winfall for me, but I certainly don't support the notion that land owners own everything that crosses that land.
bearkilr
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You're not actually feeding them, they're just eating your crop. Do you continue feeding them after harvest ?
Do you hunt your property? I suspect you do, so why should others pay for the benefits you reap....just a thought. You can also restrict access to private land so you alone can benefit from your "feeding program".
Suka
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Gee, and here I love to see deer, antelope, geese, ducks, partridge, porcupines on my land. Hell, I even used to farm around small sloughs to encourage wildlife. Gophers, coyotes, racoon and badgers I shoot on sight.
I hunt, I also let anyone hunt who asks. Joke is I rarely hunt in the wmu my land is in. When we used to have a large tract of queensland the only sign that was ever on our gates was, "Close the Gate".
We never had any trouble whatsoever then, and I don't now.
I hunt, I also let anyone hunt who asks. Joke is I rarely hunt in the wmu my land is in. When we used to have a large tract of queensland the only sign that was ever on our gates was, "Close the Gate".
We never had any trouble whatsoever then, and I don't now.
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bearkilr
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If it's not a high fence, then they wouldn't own it and wouldn't be able keep any animals from leaving. In essence, all you're paying for is the right to access and hunt private property. Why is that a problem?
Like it or not, in many areas of Canada and the US, quality hunting is and will continue to be on land with restricted access.
Game management can't work on public land in Canada due to the legal and unrestricted harvest of animals by a certain group of citizens. Elaborating on that last topic will surely get this thread locked, so I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
I don't know which side of the debate I come down on, just pointing out that things aren't simple, black and white or anything like universal. I do like the way things are, but there are always more than one viewpoint.
I own land that I bought for hunting too, and it has occurred to me that it would be cheaper to lease hunting rights than buy it outright. I wonder how much exclusive hunting rights could be obtained by offering to pay someone's taxes? Getting permission would take on a whole different aspect if it was carefully considered financial transaction between equals instead of begging strangers for a favor. I've never been one to want something for nothing, and hunting is about the only time I'm forced into that position.
I could spent more scouting/research time working, and turn a profit on the deal.
Turkeyslayer 1300
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It is funny that the people who have the money to travel and hunt support privatization of wildlife, they can afford it others cannot. All that would result we be that hunting become more exclusive and many people would be forced to quit.
I was always of the view that if farmers didn't allow hunting then they shouldn't be able to apply for apply for money to replace damaged crops, they should have to do something about the problem before asking the governement for money.
Mr. Derbyshire I would be willing to bet your corn damage was caused by raccoons not deer.Kill all the deer you want just don't waste them.
I was always of the view that if farmers didn't allow hunting then they shouldn't be able to apply for apply for money to replace damaged crops, they should have to do something about the problem before asking the governement for money.
Mr. Derbyshire I would be willing to bet your corn damage was caused by raccoons not deer.Kill all the deer you want just don't waste them.
This is my prespective as well. The only reason I restrict access is because I live on the property and my house isn't visible from many areas of the property. Hell I left 20 acres of alfalfa standing this year because we're supposed to get a bunch of snow this year (that and I didn't have time to cut and bail it
). I have WT, Mulies, Moose and misc little critters living on my land.I don't think that's the case. I lean more toward the fact the laws haven't changed in a very long time, and wild game was a staple of the farm/rural diet. I see where my opinion could be interpreted as socialist, but I believe the wildlife in Canada belongs to all Canadians, not just those who own the land they live on.What's funny is that those who can't afford it (or are too cheap, timid or lazy) support laws that force a few to support the many. Sort of like healthcare.
Turkeyslayer 1300
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What's funny is that those who can't afford it (or are too cheap, timid or lazy) support laws that force a few to support the many. Sort of like healthcare.
Countries with privatised game tend to also have strict gun laws.
In the coutries where hunting has becom privatized it is moslty to preserve what little they have left, we are blessed with large amounts of land and animals.
I actually agree with some of where you are going though. Privatization would tend to remove alot of undesirable hunters from the scene. For instance your once a year road hunter.
I actually spend time devoloping relationships with propery owners and for the most part I add value to their property by exploiting a resource that is there but unused by them ( game animals). I am in alot of cases doing the farmer a favour by hunting on their property and removing a few animals.
I really don't care much one way or the other; as far as I'm concerned hunting in the settlement isn't hunting at all. What difference if wildlife is 'private' or 'public' if they're on private land? When they do that, they're just another city slicker 'weekend warrior' scaring the bejeezus out of the locals by waving a gun around. Probably some kind of communist union member to boot.
As far as damage goes, I've suffered far more damage from so-called 'hunters' than I have from wildlife - which has in itself been considerable. All told, the deers and the bears are the lesser of two evils. I've never had a bear shoot my dog, or a deer leave a gate open, or an elk leave a half a mile of foot-deep ruts across my land. MY land. And I've never asked the Government for a nickel - but the Government has sure as hell asked for plenty from me.
People want to hunt on private land? They should buy some, the way the rest of us did. I don't go poking a hole on their lawn and call it a putting green, and my hay field isn't some deep dark wilderness where they can indulge their Craig Boddington fantasies. That's what God made Crown Land for. They should start by hunting for some of that.
bearkilr
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I agree the wildlife belongs to all Canadians, however private land is just that.....private. I am currently and should be able to continue to restrict access as should everyone else.
There is never a guarantee you'll be successful in any type of hunting, so I don't see charging an access fee as exploitation of wildlife. It is simply a fee to allow trespass.
What you're almost stating is that every Canadian should be able to access any land their wildlife is on. That my friend is not socialism, it's communism.
