Varrying degrees of breaking the law or poaching, etc...

We found a guy from a neighbouring moose camp using a camo ground blind to hide his mandatory orange jacket during rifle season. Legal this year, not next year, smart? definatly not with the amount of hunters in that neck of the woods.
 
I don't consider it poaching.You wanted to know, I told ya.

1 million candle power out the truck window at 2 a.m. I consider that poaching. Local farmer shooting numerous deer not tagging in January , I consider poaching.

Someone sitting in their stand or blind for sun up, tags in order , legal season , weapons in check. It is light enough to safely shoot winds up being 3 minutes before sunrise , I do not consider poaching.

I guess to me poaching defined would be the intent and knowing you are taking it illegally, no tags, way after hours, artificial light , from vehicles etc.........

Like previously stated, just a little common sense which I believe the judges and CO's also have.

ADDITION - was just thinking, even though not related, there is varying degrees of action in some crime, 1st degree , 2nd degree, manslaughter, etc...........since that is the topic of the thread.

rgv said:
I know the world isn;t black and white. Do the CO's and Judges?

Here's your entire post, nothing pulled out of context. All I'm curious about is, if shooting an animal before legal shooting time 'isn't exactly poaching' , then what exactly is it? I don't care if you think it's right or wrong, I'm just curious to know what you consider it to be.
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In my area of north-eastern Alberta, I am seeing more and more of hunters with long guns very early in the day on thier quads. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is there not a 12 noon restriction on this?
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The vehicle restriction is from one hour before sunrise until 12 noon,but it only applies on public land.If the firearm is off of the atv by one hour before sunrise,or you are on private land,you are good to go.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
I don't consider it poaching.You wanted to know, I told ya.

1 million candle power out the truck window at 2 a.m. I consider that poaching. Local farmer shooting numerous deer not tagging in January , I consider poaching.

Someone sitting in their stand or blind for sun up, tags in order , legal season , weapons in check. It is light enough to safely shoot winds up being 3 minutes before sunrise , I do not consider poaching.

I guess to me poaching defined would be the intent and knowing you are taking it illegally, no tags, way after hours, artificial light , from vehicles etc.........

Like previously stated, just a little common sense which I believe the judges and CO's also have.
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So, let me ask you, you shoot a nice buck three minutes before legal shooting time (and I've hunted SK, they announce legal hunting times on the local radio stations every morning and night). A guy walks up to you and tells you he had his crosshairs on that buck and was waiting for legal shooting time, and that you just illegally shot the buck.

You look at him in the eye and with a straight face tell him ......

'I was doing everything else in a legal fashion, some discretion is warranted, and there is some discretion that can and should be exercised in all aspects of hunting and everyday life. I don't consider it poaching.'

Really?
 
I'm generally someone who believes that there are very few "Black and White" issues, but there are some, and this is one of them. If we use shades of gray in something like this, whose interpretation of the regs are we going to use? Yours? Mine? More likely the CO and the JP or judge

The problem I see with shades of gray is we get a gradual decline in behavior when we allow things to slip. Maybe this week, a five minute lapse in legal shooting time is where you would draw the line, but next season you might be so comfortable with a five minute lapse, what's another five minutes? And it continues until you are shooting well before or after legal shooting, and eventually you shoot someone you didn't see there.

The rules are there to protect us, the public, and the game we hunt from the bottom one percent of people out there who would otherwise be doing all sorts of stupid crap and causing problems. The thing is that while the rules are there often due to the bottom 1% of the population, Yogi has to treat everyone equally, as most of the time that 1% blends in fairly well with the other 99%. It's like the hunter orange issue in Ontario that everyone in the wild west brings up. I know what my target is when I shoot. I don't mind wearing orange because of that bottom 1%. And this 1% is everywhere, stupidity knows no borders.
 
I'd tell him his watch is 3 minutes slow!!

now back at ya, what would YOU say???

I know what most people would say!! "too bad, so sad"

Yes rules are rules, but now you are worrying about 180 seconds , do you think we are loosing our touch here with common sense?



rgv said:
So, let me ask you, you shoot a nice buck three minutes before legal shooting time (and I've hunted SK, they announce legal hunting times on the local radio stations every morning and night). A guy walks up to you and tells you he had his crosshairs on that buck and was waiting for legal shooting time, and that you just illegally shot the buck.

You look at him in the eye and with a straight face tell him ......

'I was doing everything else in a legal fashion, some discretion is warranted, and there is some discretion that can and should be exercised in all aspects of hunting and everyday life. I don't consider it poaching.'

Really?
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I have to agree with Kelly here, if I've spent the last hour hiking into my spot, i don't think three minutes before legal light is something to be concerned about. That being said, I'd probably spend a few more minutes glassing before I take the shot.

Rules are rules. I follow them for the good of myself and my fellow sportsmen. Those who choose the break the rules hurt the sport for everyone else.
 
rgv said:
So, let me ask you, you shoot a nice buck three minutes before legal shooting time (and I've hunted SK, they announce legal hunting times on the local radio stations every morning and night). A guy walks up to you and tells you he had his crosshairs on that buck and was waiting for legal shooting time, and that you just illegally shot the buck.
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Odds are, he'd be trespassing if he's out in my field before me.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
I'd tell him his watch is 3 minutes slow!!

now back at ya, what would YOU say???

I know what most people would say!! "too bad, so sad"

Yes rules are rules, but now you are worrying about 180 seconds , do you think we are loosing our touch here with common sense?
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what I would say isn't important. I'm not passing judgement on anything other than the definition of poaching, which you seem to be unclear on.

Whether 180 seconds is important in a moral, ethical, or conservation sense isn't the issue either. All I'm pointing out is that an animal is either taken legally or it isn't.

JustBen said:
I have to agree with Kelly here, if I've spent the last hour hiking into my spot, i don't think three minutes before legal light is something to be concerned about. That being said, I'd probably spend a few more minutes glassing before I take the shot.

Rules are rules. I follow them for the good of myself and my fellow sportsmen. Those who choose the break the rules hurt the sport for everyone else.
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so three minutes isn't something to be concerned about? or rules are rules and you follow them for the good of yourself and your fellow sportsman?

again, I'm not passing judgement, just wondering where you sit
 
Well since we are nit picking, here is one for you legal eagles.

Tell me what hunting is defined as per your hunting guide.

If you give me a fair answer, anybody in their stand or blind , or hot spot with their rifle/bow before legal shooting time is technically poaching.

"Hunting includes taking, wounding, killing,
chasing, pursuing, worrying, capturing,
following after or on the trail of, searching
for, shooting at, trapping, setting snares for,
stalking or lying in wait for any wildlife,
whether or not the wildlife is subsequently
captured, wounded or killed." - as per 2010 Sask Hunting guide.
 
rgv said:
so three minutes isn't something to be concerned about? or rules are rules and you follow them for the good of yourself and your fellow sportsman?

again, I'm not passing judgement, just wondering where you sit
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Three minutes after I've spent an hour hiking into my muzzleloader blind, not a big deal.

Three minutes early from the edge of the road is a totally different thing.

Its kinda like speeding. I drive the speed limit. If you want to go 5 kph faster, good for you, but don't push it.

I realize that not everyone will share my opinion, but thats fine by me.
 
I think I have said where I sit. If you want my answer so bad, please let me know where YOU sit? OR are you afraid to say?


rgv said:
what I would say isn't important. I'm not passing judgement on anything other than the definition of poaching, which you seem to be unclear on.

Whether 180 seconds is important in a moral, ethical, or conservation sense isn't the issue either. All I'm pointing out is that an animal is either taken legally or it isn't.



so three minutes isn't something to be concerned about? or rules are rules and you follow them for the good of yourself and your fellow sportsman?

again, I'm not passing judgement, just wondering where you sit
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Kelly Timoffee said:
Well since we are nit picking, here is one for you legal eagles.

Tell me what hunting is defined as per your hunting guide.

If you give me a fair answer, anybody in their stand or blind , or hot spot with their rifle/bow before legal shooting time is technically poaching.

"Hunting includes taking, wounding, killing,
chasing, pursuing, worrying, capturing,
following after or on the trail of, searching
for, shooting at, trapping, setting snares for,
stalking or lying in wait for any wildlife,
whether or not the wildlife is subsequently
captured, wounded or killed." - as per 2010 Sask Hunting guide.
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Technically, going out and lying in wait to take some pictures of that big buck in the pre-season meets the definition of hunting. I'm guilty of that.
 
stubblejumper said:
The vehicle restriction is from one hour before sunrise until 12 noon,but it only applies on public land.If the firearm is off of the atv by one hour before sunrise,or you are on private land,you are good to go.
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Also, that rule only applies to certain wmu's, not all. Depends on which zone he's in.

According to the regs it applies to zones "WMUs: 102-166, 200-260, 300-351, 354-360, 400-446, 507, 508, 514, 521, 522, 526 and 841"

In all other zones you may carry a firearm on an ATV at any time.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
I think I have said where I sit. If you want my answer so bad, please let me know where YOU sit? OR are you afraid to say?
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that was in reference to the other fellow, who said three minutes wasn;t a big deal, but rules are rules.

Where do i sit? I excercise discretion and common sense, as you advocate. But I don't lie to myself whether or not I have broken any laws by bending definitions.

Well since we are nit picking, here is one for you legal eagles.

Tell me what hunting is defined as per your hunting guide.

If you give me a fair answer, anybody in their stand or blind , or hot spot with their rifle/bow before legal shooting time is technically poaching.

"Hunting includes taking, wounding, killing,
chasing, pursuing, worrying, capturing,
following after or on the trail of, searching
for, shooting at, trapping, setting snares for,
stalking or lying in wait for any wildlife,
whether or not the wildlife is subsequently
captured, wounded or killed." - as per 2010 Sask Hunting guide.
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this is an interesting point. You are correct of course, however I have never heard of anyone being charged for hunting before legal hours becasue he was in a treestand, but I do know of people being charged with shooting before legal hours.

Somewhat related, not far from Dorintosh i was waiting to be picked up by my buddy, and a DNR truck pulled up (in the dark). They checked my licenses and my rifle, and commented that if my rifle had been loaded he would have ticketed me for night hunting.
 
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