brand new Norinco 1911 jamming every time

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I'm looking for some guidance with regard to a new gun I just bought. I have the 1911 H:S:H:S:sport two-tone model of Norinco's 45 ACP. It looks fantastic and I could hardly wait to get it to the range, however when I got there I was quite disappointed. I shot 49 rounds through that thing (7 clips worth) and it jammed at least once on every magazine and sometime 2 or three times. Now this thing was drenched with gun oil when I received it--I'm assuming that is because its shipped by boat over the ocean, so when I received it, the first thing I did was field strip it and wipe away 90% of the oil. Do you think I took too much oil off of it. Should I really splash on oil again? I was using standard winchester ammo, do these Norincos like a different brand. Any tips or advice would be helpful. Because if the performance doesn't improve, this baby is going back to Marstar.

Geof
 
Juster said:
Clips and jamming. Does it jam in any particular manner?
It should work without oil.
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So I load in the magazine and pull back the slide. The first round always fires, but then every so often the thing doesn't shoot. Usually the casing is stuck between the magazine and the chamber--in other words the slide is partially open and the casing is kind of stuck in an awkward position. Not sure if that helps describe it.
 
Did you also clean the mags? Did it jam with all mags or one in particular? Was it always the same round in the mag that jammed (first, last, etc.)? Did you try any other brand of mags? The Norc mags are generally pretty poor and there are lots of people who have had issues with them.

When you say standard Win .45ACP that is pretty vague. What bullet weight? What bullet shape?

Mark
 
Keep in mind as well there is going to be a break in period for a new pistol.

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mmattockx said:
Did you also clean the mags? Did it jam with all mags or one in particular? Was it always the same round in the mag that jammed (first, last, etc.)? Did you try any other brand of mags? The Norc mags are generally pretty poor and there are lots of people who have had issues with them.

When you say standard Win .45ACP that is pretty vague. What bullet weight? What bullet shape?

Mark
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What I do know is that there were both Norinco mags (came with gun) and they both jammed, and I do not believe there was any systematic jamming, it seemed quite random. Do you recommend any other brand of mag that works better with the Norcs? The shape was tappered and then with a flat noes, I don't know the weight. I'll check when I get back home. I did remove a lot of oil from the mags as well. Should they be more lubed up?
 
Did you strip it down and clean out ALL the Cosmoline on the Norc? I know with eh Mags, try to clean it well, and the components could have been cought by dried crude from the cosmoline.

I stripped and used a very light coat of CLP and boom, it works great.

Also got to tripp research and get some Cobra mags, it will work wonders for feeding and reliability :)
 
Limp wristing is a real cause of jams...but not so much on a properly functioning 1911 in my experience. I suggest trying different mags (norc mags are bad) and maybe try a stiffer guide rod spring.
 
CRAZYLOCH said:
Did you strip it down and clean out ALL the Cosmoline on the Norc? I know with eh Mags, try to clean it well, and the components could have been cought by dried crude from the cosmoline.

I stripped and used a very light coat of CLP and boom, it works great.

Also got to tripp research and get some Cobra mags, it will work wonders for feeding and reliability :)
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You'll need to educate me. What is cosmoline? Also this product CLP what is that and where do you get it? I'll try some more cleaning and lubricating and do some more shooting and also try some different ammo, but if all of this doesn't help, I"ll sure look into those cobra mags. Thanks for the info.

Geof
 
Geof, I had exactly the same jam in a new Norc 1911 where the fired case would wedge between the slide and magazine locking the gun open.
Turned out to be an extractor issue, I simply removed the extractor and carefully deepened the slot with a hacksaw, this allowed the extractor to grab hold of the brass correctly.
This advise was given to me by Gunnar from Armco, problem solved.
 
Geof said:
...What is cosmoline? Also this product CLP what is that and where do you get it? I'll try some more cleaning and lubricating and do some more shooting and also try some different ammo, but if all of this doesn't help, I"ll sure look into those cobra mags...
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Cosmoline
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Geoff, if you're not confident working on your 1911 send it to Gunnar at Armco.
Best money you'll spend to get your 1911 shooting the way it should.
I bought a Norc 1911 Government with an Armco tune and it performed flawlessly. Even with the 5 extra Norc mags ($12.95 each?)
from Marstar.
 
Geof said:
What I do know is that there were both Norinco mags (came with gun) and they both jammed, and I do not believe there was any systematic jamming, it seemed quite random. Do you recommend any other brand of mag that works better with the Norcs? The shape was tappered and then with a flat noes, I don't know the weight. I'll check when I get back home. I did remove a lot of oil from the mags as well. Should they be more lubed up?
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Most any other brand would be considered a step up from the Norc mags. I have used the MecGar mags sold by Marstar with no troubles at all in a couple of different pistols. Others have been mentioned as well. One thing with a 1911, there is huge aftermarket support, so you will have lots of choices available.

The bullets sound like truncated cone to me. Does it look something like this:

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They should feed OK, but the ultimate for reliability is the round nose (RN) bullet. The standard 1911 .45 load is a 230gr RN at ~900fps. Try to find some 230gr. RN and see if that helps your problems, especially while breaking it in and everything is still tight.

As for the lube, you need to completely clean off the oil/preservative that it was shipped in before doing anything else. That goopy stuff is meant for corrosion protection only and will gum the works up badly, especially if it is cold out when you are shooting. Clean it up completely, put a few drops of oil (or CLP) on the trigger group and sear and use small amounts (as in tiny dabs) of a light grease (I use lithium grease) on the slide rails where it slides on the receiver. You need hardly any lube at all for the gun to function correctly and extra lube just attracts more dirt and gunks things up faster. For corrosion protection, a wipe down with an oily rag (or CLP on the rag) is all that is required. Most people overlube guns and it is just not needed.

Mark
 
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