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I'd appriecate any assistance on this one
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What's the smaller reciever telling me? I've never handled many '98's before. I've got an '44 werhrmacht Sauer as a parts donor ( victim of a fire, badly burned ). But it has a much beefier reciever than this sporter.
The sporter has very few markings, the next one is a letter "F" under a crown
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This picture shows a letter "C" under what appears to be a sailing ship...
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The bolt doesn't match. It's factory bent and has the Nazi dirty bird in 3 spots, although the bird's appear to have been buffed enough to blur them.
It handily chambers 8mm but I've not had time to do a casting.
I've got a copy of Gerhard Wirnsberger's " The standard directory of Proof Marks ( with WW 2 German ordinance codes ). Which helped with the Sauer.
But the sporter... no guidance from Gerhard on this one.
Thanks
tokguy
 
It's a Small ring 98. The original bolt should be flat bottomed and checkered. These were made up from K98a or K98az from WWI, the proof marks are from that era, in addition the proof marks on the left side have been scrubbed. the proof load data was stamped on the left side. Sometimes the serial number was stamped there wit the crown in front of it. Mine has the serial number on the right hand side.
 
gaff said:
danger don't use burnt parts.
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I only needed the magazine plate, LOL.
I'm actually pretty good with metal; it's all I've ever done.
Pity about the Sauer actually, it's a '44. If someone needs a non-critical part PM me. It's got nothing ahead of the rear sight as far as bands and such. Obviously the magazine plate and spring are gone, I just scored them.
Dad kept that relic around since I can remember, for real...like 35 years easy.
More than a few people told him to junk it, including me. Now I need it; and yep , I ate the crow.
Seriously ; if someone needs a part to de-sporterize a '98 let me know. I'd be willing to help out. Trade my useless scrap for someone elses useless scrap; LOL.
And what's the term Volksstrurm? Don't you mean Volksgewehr? I don't think that it is a Volksgewehr rifle; they had the rear sight on the reciever ring. This one actually is nicely finished metal wise, the front sling set-up is silver soldered under the barrel; almost as a civilian model might be. But it does have the steel doughnut and inletting for military sling; also has an orginal( I think ) inlet for the turned bolt.
Obviously a mix of parts with a ( I suspect ) scrubbed reciever from the WW 1 era. On the bright side the rifling looks great.
I'll be preceding carefully; starting with a chamber casting.
 
Here's the side of the action. The rear sight is a Swedish Hellqvist peep sight, very rare in North America.

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Looks like an ex-Kar98a with scrubbed receiver ?? The Imperial German acceptance marks are quite clear on the magazine assembly and bolt stop. Bolt appears to be Third Reich in origin as you have confirmed.

It looks like the rear sight and hand guard lip on the front of the receiver were removed.

Do you have any full length pictures? I would be interesting to see what the muzzle area looks like as there would have been two guard ears around the front sight blade.

If my guess is right, she would have looked like this at one point (or very similar):

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Nabs said:
Looks like an ex-Kar98a with scrubbed receiver ?? The Imperial German acceptance marks are quite clear on the magazine assembly and bolt stop. Bolt appears to be Third Reich in origin as you have confirmed.

It looks like the rear sight and hand guard lip on the front of the receiver were removed.

Do you have any full length pictures? I would be interesting to see what the muzzle area looks like as there would have been two guard ears around the front sight blade.

If my guess is right, she would have looked like this at one point (or very similar):

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I'm thinking if it was dressed it'd be quite similar. The protective ears on the front sight have been removed though.
I'd take another pic or three but the light here kind of sucks today. And my inside pics suck, LOL.
Is it going to be incredibly difficult to scope this old girl, with the small ring reciever? She's a little far past de-sporterizing, might as well get ready to shoot some deer come the fall.
My 14 year-old daughter is fawning over her a-bit already.
This may change the first firing session though. The rifle is stripped down to about 6 lbs, I'm thinking the recoil will be fearsome. Though I'm betting a good recoil pad & some reduced handloads will make it more managable.
 
Mine weights in at 6lbs 8oz, Recoil is not bad at all. BTW get a peep sight from XZ sights, They make one for the mauser. Mine has the leaf sight on it and the original owner took it off to put the helvisk sight on it. sight really fast.

Does yours have the double trigger?
 
Sorry to say it looks like a garbage rifle;)I'll take it off your hands.

Just a joke, looks like it could be a matching 1944 Czech produced K98 at Waffenwerk Brunn I. K98's were also made by Brunn II (different factory). The Germans actually trusted the Czech arms industry and let them remain some control over production. They Czech made K98's are known as some of the best in regards to finish and quality.

Surplus ammo can be found but is less common (German, Yugo, Turkish or S. American) and is corrosive.

If you PM me and get my email you can send more pics and I can tell you more about your rifle.

For example the base plate matches the rifle despite being marked byf (Mauser Obendorf), Mauser was one of the producers of contracted parts and one of the main suppliers of Kriegmodell (late war) stamped parts.

Cheers

trailmastersky said:
just wanting to know if anybody can tell me anything about this firearm

and is surp ammo available

thank you
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trailmastersky said:
just wanting to know if anybody can tell me anything about this firearm

and is surp ammo available

thank you
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Czech k98. No readily available surplus ammo available... EDIT, yah, what he said.

Regarding the matching numbers, on the three Czech rifles I own the major components are a natural match while the small parts were force matched, either struck out or ground down and re-numbered. If your small parts are a natural match, so much the better.
 
Volkssturm is a correct term. Darrin Weaver wrote a book for Collector Publications on this topic “Last Ditch Weapons of the Volkssturm”. Roughly translated “Peoples Storm”, these were German Fatherland rag tag units; old men and children filled their ranks. Hitler believed that the common ‘man’ would be the Reichs saviors and would battle harder than even the German Soldier when forced with defending the Reich and Fatherland.

Usually the weapons were a mixture of inferior or captured arms or arms created with even more short cuts than Kriegsmodells (late war rifles). When armed with the correct weapons that were easy to use such as the Panzerfaust, some of these units had great success and took out several Russian tanks in the Battle of Berlin.

That rear site pictured looks similar to a Kriegsmodell site but is not the folded stamped steel found on a Kriegsmodell/Volkstrum rear site.


tokguy said:
I only needed the magazine plate, LOL.
I'm actually pretty good with metal; it's all I've ever done.
Pity about the Sauer actually, it's a '44. If someone needs a non-critical part PM me. It's got nothing ahead of the rear sight as far as bands and such. Obviously the magazine plate and spring are gone, I just scored them.
Dad kept that relic around since I can remember, for real...like 35 years easy.
More than a few people told him to junk it, including me. Now I need it; and yep , I ate the crow.
Seriously ; if someone needs a part to de-sporterize a '98 let me know. I'd be willing to help out. Trade my useless scrap for someone elses useless scrap; LOL.
And what's the term Volksstrurm? Don't you mean Volksgewehr? I don't think that it is a Volksgewehr rifle; they had the rear sight on the reciever ring. This one actually is nicely finished metal wise, the front sling set-up is silver soldered under the barrel; almost as a civilian model might be. But it does have the steel doughnut and inletting for military sling; also has an orginal( I think ) inlet for the turned bolt.
Obviously a mix of parts with a ( I suspect ) scrubbed reciever from the WW 1 era. On the bright side the rifling looks great.
I'll be preceding carefully; starting with a chamber casting.
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