brand new Norinco 1911 jamming every time

Good Luck

To the OP: you have been given a lot of good advice here, good luck.
Ignore TDC, his Mom went to work today, so he has the basement computer
to himself and likes to be a PITA.
 
easy said:
I know smiths who refuse to work on anything Norinco. They tell me these guns can't be made right, only tolerable. And tolerate, the smith has to when the uninformed customer comes back with additional complaints. Just now, the smith is blamed for the lousy product and responsible for the work on a gun that could only be tolerable at best.
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Wilson Combat lists or did list Norincos as one gun they would customize for clients. They didn't list Kimbers.

Take Care

Bob
 
TDC said:
How is a 1911 that doesn't work from the box and requires more maintenance than a prom queen fun to shoot?

Shooting to some is a hobby, for others its a practical skill set. If you're in the later group, a reliable firearm is paramount.

I'd say most are hooked out of ignorance and hollywood hype/romance over the design.

Firearms are tools, designed for a specific purpose, not mantle pieces to be oohed and aaahed over.

TDC
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Well said TDC! I agree.
 
clean the heck out of your new gun, get all the old oil off.

hopes #9 works well, and follow up witha light CLP oil.


Also, the surplus mags you likely got may need to be broken in.... keep them fully loaded (7rds) while in storage for awhile so the springs losen up a bit.

Also, what type of ammo are you using?


Ive a norinco .45acp and it works great.
 
Canuck44 said:
Wilson Combat lists or did list Norincos as one gun they would customize for clients. They didn't list Kimbers.

Take Care

Bob
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You're 1/2 right.

"What pistols do you work on?
We will work on Springfield Armory, Colt, Norinco, Wilson Combat, Kimber, Strayer Tripp, and Strayer Voight pistols.*

We will not work on firearms that have been modified by anyone other than Wilson Combat® Custom Shop."



http://www.wilsoncombat.com/faq_handgun.htm
 
CanadianReich said:
Also, the surplus mags you likely got may need to be broken in.... keep them fully loaded (7rds) while in storage for awhile so the springs losen up a bit.
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Leaving the mags loaded won't weaken the springs. Spring steel doesn't work that way. The only thing that will weaken mag springs is using them.

Take Care

Bob
 
thump_rrr said:
You're 1/2 right.

"What pistols do you work on?
We will work on Springfield Armory, Colt, Norinco, Wilson Combat, Kimber, Strayer Tripp, and Strayer Voight pistols.*

We will not work on firearms that have been modified by anyone other than Wilson Combat® Custom Shop."



http://www.wilsoncombat.com/faq_handgun.htm
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They have since added Kimber, for years they didn't. I also see they have dropped Para.

Take Care

Bob
 
Geof said:
OP here again.

Thanks again for all the great ideas and possible fixes. Here is my plan based on all the comments:
1. Take the gun apart again and clean all the part throroughly and relubricate it.
2. De gunk and relube the mags
3. Use round nose ammo, got some stuff made in the Czech Republic today, and then take it to the range an fire away.
4. Because it is brand new, if that doesn't work i will call Marstar and get further direction from them before I try any of the other fixes. I tend to agree that a new gun, no matter what its weaknesses, should shoot fairly well right out of the box. I also got a Norinco m93 22 for xmas and it shoots great. I had only one jam out of about 150 rounds and i think it was because the lead on the cartridge was a bit deformed.

So, wish me luck. And again, thanks for all of your amazing insights and ideas.

Geof
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Sounds like a good plan, this should help you isolate the problem if not fix it. Was the Czech ammo S&B (Sellier & Bellot)? If so, that is good stuff. I've put a couple hundred rounds of it through my Norc 1911 with no issues.

Let us know how it turns out.
 
Geof said:
This stuff was just standard Winchester 45 ACP. I'm not sure if it was truly jacketed, but it did have a brass color bullet.

Geof
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Sounds like WinClean.... which is ####! It won't cycle through my 1911 either. Get a good standard winchester or remington FMJ and it will function flawlessly!
 
Geof said:
Yes, this is how my ammo looks, except that it appears jacketed. I'll try to find some RN ammo and also do a proper cleaning.

And to everyone so far, thanks so much for your insight, interest in my problem, and helpful advice. AWESOME!

Geof
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Here is your problem...

get 230grains round nose ammo, (that's the ammo which is intended to be used in this pistol) and your [problem is solved.

I used to own a Norinco 1911 several years ago; nothing wrong with the guns, but they don't like flat point bullets.
 
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easy said:
So you bought a new gun. :) It doesn't work. Why are you fixing it? Take it back to Marstar. Cut your losses now.
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I hear ya on this BUT it should just need a good cleaning. That "oil" that comes with it is just a preservative. He cleaned most of it off but left some on for lubrication.

Of the hundreds of Norc 1911s on this forum I rarely hear about failures. I have about 500 rounds through mine (mixture of Winchester white box and my own reloads) and I haven't had a single hiccup. It's a shooter and gets treated as such. I shot off a few mags with an STI at the range the other day and the only difference was the trigger. (and finish obviously) I was actually more accurate with my Norc but I think that's just because I'm used to it...

Having said that, if the OP gives it a good clean and lube and it still doesn't function, send it back! Marstar will honour their warranty. No point trying to fix a brand new gun!
 
OP here.

Problem Solved!!

I did do a really good cleaning and re-oiling and then I put in some round nosed FMJ ammo, Its a Czech brand Selliot and something and it worked absolutely flawlessly. So for any one considering the Norinco 1911, use round nosed ammo and I think you'll be a happy camper. Suddenly I'm very excited about my gun again.

Again, thanks everyone for your ideas and suggestions!

Geof
 
About a million years ago, wise men used to tell new gun owners to fire 200 rounds of good factory ball (230 grain FMJ) through a new pistol before doing anything. S&B ammo is great for that, apparently the Czechs don't care if your 1911 is 100 years old, they load to the original specs for each round. Their 9mm is pretty awesome too! I agree with whoever said WinClean is sh*t - apparently it's cleaner because it doesn't work. I read a test the other day where it was chrono'ed at a blistering 750 fps.
 
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