M-1 Carbine identification.

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One of the Carbines i owned in the early 80s was kinda unique to me and i havent seen one like it since and cant find any info in over 25 years.

Heres what it was : USGI M-1 manufactured by National Postal Meter.

Appeared completely GI except nothing attacted under barrel and the strangest part no Rear Aperture Sight. Where the dovetail is for the sight it was never cut from the ramp. The carbinn had a set of patridge sights attached on the receiver ring. Everything looked arsenal done ,not a home job . Front sight was GI. Can anyone help me with this mystery to me at least.

Happy New Year!:wave:
 
It sounds like one of the extensively modified Carbines which were used by the Bavarian Police in post-war Germany. There is currently one of these for sale on the MILSURP EE. Check it out to see if it looks like what you had.
 
purple said:
It sounds like one of the extensively modified Carbines which were used by the Bavarian Police in post-war Germany. There is currently one of these for sale on the MILSURP EE. Check it out to see if it looks like what you had.
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Is it the one that Gunny1980 was listing? It was like that except for the added barrel de- restrictor. I cant see the rear patridge sight well enough to tell if it was the same type. Are you sure this is what you described and where did you get the info? If it is a Police carbine i wonder how it ended up here. I know the guy from work i bought it from was in Europe with North Novies 1944-45 and i think did some occupational duties. That would probaly be too early for the conversions im sure. Thanks for the quick response and anything else you could tell me please do. Thanks in advance.

Happy New Year everyone!:wave:
 
purple said:
It sounds like one of the extensively modified Carbines which were used by the Bavarian Police in post-war Germany. There is currently one of these for sale on the MILSURP EE. Check it out to see if it looks like what you had.
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Thanks purple i visited a website dedicated to these conversions and i see the rear sight perfectly. IT was one of those!! I wonder how it got here in Canada, and i guess 27 years ago i didnt pay much attention to markings because it looks like they did get various german police markings .
 
I can't see enough of the gunny 1980 listing to be sure. Look at the del3840 listing to see pictures of one of these. He advertises it as such. My information source is the book, U.S. M1 Carbines by Reisch available from North cape Publications. the Bavarian Police Carbines are actually stamped with one of several markings, incl Bavarian Rural police, Bavarian Forest Service, Bavarian Border Police, or Bavarian State Police.

Many Carbines have been imported into Canada over time so it is hard to tell exactly when these came in. A lot of original Carbine barrels have been boogered up by folks installing various barrel extensions or stylized front sights. I have a loose Quality Hardware barrel which was dicked with in this way. Someone also devised a type of press-in seal which makes it impossible to remove the gas piston w/o drilling it out.
 
"...Bavarian Police..." Yep. For who knows what reason, post war Bavarian Rural police, Bavarian Forest Service, Bavarian Border Police and Bavarian State Police carbines were refitted with Mauser style rear sights. The story is that that's what the men were used to using. Silliness, of course. Wasn't like the guys were stupid and couldn't be trained. Most likely a political thing. Same rifle otherwise. And restricted in Canada.
"...wonder how it ended up here..." Surplus dealers, prior to 1978. Don't think there are as many 'Bavarians' as there are standard U.S. issue carbines, in Canada, though.
Have a look here and send Jim any info you can. Good guy. His commercial carbine site is fabulous.
http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/hessen.html
http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/
 
As others have said, definitely a Bavarian Carbine. The rear dovetail was milled but later filled and scored by the European arsenals (Austria, Germany, others?).

Back in the early fall there was a National Postal Meter Bavarian M1 for sale on another site. Went cheap at $500. The Bavarians have a nice bit of history to them and they're also one of the few M1 Carbines that didn't get arsenal rebuilt post-War. While they have been modified from their original production state, they're often all matching. The Bavarian M1 Carbines site is excellent and will hopefully educate enough people to leave their Carbines as-is rather than trying to restore them.

In the brief time that I've been looking for M1 Carbines, I've actually seen a lot more Bavarians here in Canada than any other type of Carbine, so I imagine quite a few were imported. I've also noticed that a lot of the Bavarians are from relatively small production manufacturers: Rock-Ola, Quality, National Postal Meter.
 
Great reading guys. I realize now how uninformed i was in the 70s and 80s about the various rifles i owned. This has sparked my interest to see what type of commercial M-1 i bought for my wife to carry deer hunting in the early 80s. I bought a Remington 7400 in .243 vbut it was too heavy so i got the carbine. I just realized after viewing a website what the black plastic plug was for on the side of the reciever LOL. I could have easily scoped it for her, it was already drilled and tapped from the factory!! She never could get used to those aperture sights. Can't remember the Barrel lenght on it either . I know it was non-restricted version for canada from factory i think it was 18.5" or 19". Does anyone know those barrel lenghts i didnt see it on website?

Happy New Year:wave:
 
Century Arms brought in the border police guns into canada and sold them for $99.00 each with sling and two 15rd magazines.
 
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