Sub-2000; A quick field review

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Since there's not much in the way of reviews; I thought I'd post my initial thoughts.

I literally picked it up yesterday afternoon and with the few remaining hours of light, frozen hands from no gloves (as I wasn't prepared to shoot it), and some cheap 9mm I headed out to the pistol range.

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A couple initial impressions;

- It's light, you really won't believe it till you hold it; almost like a heavy handgun.
- The weight is pretty neutral with a bit more weight reward of the pistol grip so shouldering it feels good.
- For someone like myself (6'5", 225 lbs) the LOP is super short and the sights are very low despite what they look like in the pictures (tall). I can somewhat shoot it comfortably with it twisted a little bit with my head slightly tilted in (I have the stock extension already on order to help remedy this).
- Everything seems to fit together pretty well; folding/unfolding is simple and smooth, all my Glock mags (and the one included) feed/drop perfectly, and there isn't really a whole lot of play in any part of the gun.
- Disassembly/cleaning/reassembly is super easy, especially the barrel as one would expect, the bolt is dead simple to remove and it all goes back together pretty straightforwardly.
- The sights are ok. Only the front is adjustable and both are made out of plastic with plastic screws for adjustment which I'm not so thrilled about. When I adjusted mine you feel as if the thing could break with only a 1/100 more tightening.
- The rifling in the barrel is pretty strong; a jag/patch really does grab and spins out, this was nice to see.
- The trigger really isn't too bad. It has some take-up but once you feel how it breaks a few times you get used to it.

So after loading up a few rounds in the mag I shot from about 20 yards the first try, adjusted the sight a little and shot a few more. First thing you notice is the recoil; or lack-thereof. And more importantly, how liner it is. It's straight back and although I'm a pretty big guy, I don't see anyone really losing a sight picture or follow-up shot with this thing. Pretty sweet. I definitely wasn't doing my part, but here's my first two groups (stock on left, then after a small adjustment in the sights):

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I shot a bit more just testing out the shouldering, reloading and such and after 50 rounds the gun was still functioning flawlessly. I then moved back to about 40 yards and fired off the last of my ammo and shot a few decent groups:

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I was absolutely frozen and it was getting dark so I then packed it in for the day. I can honestly say I'm pretty happy with the purchase, it's a fun little gun. I think it's awesome that something like this is in the country and non-restricted. It's super portable and light and I know 100% that it'll be in my backpack when I'm out camping/hiking the bush and when I'm wheelin' the trails in my Jeep.

What I do think is a little steep, and I know it's not the vendors faults here, is the price. It doesn't feel like a almost $700 gun. It feels like a $350 gun which is what it costs in the states. I wouldn't go into the purchase expecting a precision piece of kit here. What you are paying for is the uniqueness, portability, and fun this thing will offer you. I imagine people that compete in 3-gun and such might start using this thing too because of some of the reasons I listed above.

In conclusion; I'm happy with my purchase and I think the Sub-2000 does what it's designed to to brilliantly. I'd say grab one while you can!

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If I missed something, post up and I'll try to answer any questions (after I get back from the rage today of course)! :D
 
I picked up mine from Lanz today too and had it out a silverdale. Its really a sweet little carbine, tons of fun to shoot. My only complaint is really the same as yours and its the front sight. I did manage to crack the sight (I'll blame it on the cold) but its still usable. I sent kel tec an email as I heard they are very good and I'll be expecting a couple new sight blades. All in all I don't mind paying the price. I ran flawless and its fun to shoot, and it folds, I don't mind having to pay for those features. I will be mounting a red dot so I don't have to bother with the front sight anymore.
 
... its fun to shoot, and it folds, I don't mind having to pay for those features. I will be mounting a red dot so I don't have to bother with the front sight anymore.
How can this be done?
When the rifle folds up's it covers the sight plain. So how would you accomplish this? I have seen the door hinge meathod on youtube but lets just say on a $700 to $800 dollar rifle I wouldn't rush out to do this type of hinge mount. Also all the reviews on Kel-Tec's rail system is that they are a total waste of money and the rails will come off when you use them;
http://www.keltecweapons.com/product/sub-2000-aluminum-forend-w-picatinny-rail/review/
Can't wait to see your idea
:popCorn:
Thanx for the review.
 
How can this be done?
When the rifle folds up's it covers the sight plain. So how would you accomplish this? I have seen the door hinge meathod on youtube but lets just say on a $700 to $800 dollar rifle I wouldn't rush out to do this type of hinge mount. Also all the reviews on Kel-Tec's rail system is that they are a total waste of money and the rails will come off when you use them;
http://www.keltecweapons.com/product/sub-2000-aluminum-forend-w-picatinny-rail/review/
Can't wait to see your idea
:popCorn:
Thanx for the review.


I'll be using the quad rail and a set of leupy QD rings. It should work fine but only time will tell. I've also done some reading and some guys just made there own front sight blade, something I may look as also.

After field stripping the rifle after the range yesterday the quality is on par or better then any polymer pistol at the same price point. The only thing that feels cheap is the hand guard which is indifferent to functionality and easily replaceable.
 
I'll be using the quad rail and a set of leupy QD rings. It should work fine but only time will tell. I've also done some reading and some guys just made there own front sight blade, something I may look as also.

After field stripping the rifle after the range yesterday the quality is on par or better then any polymer pistol at the same price point. The only thing that feels cheap is the hand guard which is indifferent to functionality and easily replaceable.
I hope 1 of these Canadian manufacture's make 1 of these quad rails. Also with a nice red dot I think it would be great!
 
Sounds like a nice little rig.

Makes me think this would be good in a 10mm chambering. If the Corbon 180 grain load gets 1300 FPS out of a 4.6" barrel; what would you get in a carbine like this???

Perfect bear, cougar, wolf, protection?? (Black bear only, a grizzly and I want more gun)

Dare to dream!!
 
Not sure which one of you guys it was but I was the guy in cammo on the action range with the Single Action Ruger.

As others have said it really doesn't feel like a $700 gun but it is unique and seemed to function well.

Still up in the air on this one though. I will wait for some more reviews, and see how they hold up over time.

Cheers
Mark
 
Had mine out for the first time today and put about 250 rnds through it flawleslly.It is a realy lite compact rifle.Overall i am prety pleased with it.I dont like the sights so i am buying the quad rail from Wanstalls and will put on a Micro aimpoint with a quick detach mount so i can still fold it up with no problems.Is it worth the 700 bucks?I think it is cause of the fact its light,folds up,takes Glock mags and the best part its non restricted.:)
 
I really want to see one of you lucky owners do this mod....:D
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All you need is one of these spring door hinges:

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and a length of picatinny rail!:popCorn:
 
Had mine out for the first time today and put about 250 rnds through it flawleslly.It is a realy lite compact rifle.Overall i am prety pleased with it.I dont like the sights so i am buying the quad rail from Wanstalls and will put on a Micro aimpoint with a quick detach mount so i can still fold it up with no problems.Is it worth the 700 bucks?I think it is cause of the fact its light,folds up,takes Glock mags and the best part its non restricted.:)

Agreed, totally worth the 700 bucks and like my previous post, the quality is on par with pistols in the same price range. I don't feel like I overpaid, I'm extremely happy with it. Its a lot of fun.
 
Lots of great feedback guys.

I'm up to 500 rounds (yikes) with this thing and it's still working like a charm. I really need to get a higher site on to make it a bit more comfortable, but it's still putting a smile on my face.

I emailed Wanstalls about the quad rail they're selling; I'm trying to find out if it's the "new-style" one or the extremely problematic original one. Reading the KTOG forums there appears to be a redesigned version that is either shipping now or soon to the resellers. The original one seems to only last for a very small percentage of people using it; most find it failing after as little as 10 rounds.

Another thing guys are doing is using the cheap UTG/NC Star quad-rail barrel mounts; they'd definitely lock on tight but I'm not sure how much they'll affect accuracy:
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With some sort of quick detach rail/sight it'd probably hold zero to some extent. You'd have the best of both worlds; keep the ability to fold it up and mount an optic to help with the fit/aiming it.
 
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