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Alderius

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Hello All, I'm relatively new to the site and I apologize if this posting is in the incorrect area. Now on to my story....

I own a registered HK91 German Main Battle Rifle, and have had it probably for some 25 years. I enjoyed using it for the first 5 years, but I haven't actually used it for about 20 years (since I met my (now)ex, had kids, responsibilities etc etc....). I dutifully acquired my FAC, which then migrated to a POL, and thought that one day I would actually get out to the range. Anyway, now that my ex is my, well, ex, and my kids are old enough to handle weapons (both have recently had training), I was thinking about taking them to the range along with my trusty HK, which they were keen to dust off and try out. So I call up for an ATT and, woe is me, am told that I cannot take the HK to the range (or anywhere else for that matter), as it is classed as 12-5.

Now, I know this is my fault for not keeping up with the rules and regulations , but can anyone provide me with information on my options? I believe exporting is an option, but are there any others? Can I sell it to someone with a prohib license? How about the ranges that already have prohib weapons? I'd rather sell it to someone that will enjoy it than deactivate it, and I would dearly love to use the money from this one to purchase something that I can use. I'm kinda partial to swiss arms classic green, although the price is probably more than I can afford.

Anyway, any feedback or recommendations are highly appreciated! And with any luck, I'll actually get to the range!

Edited: I have moved this to the Main Battle Rifles area for the Q/A session. Once you know how you want to proceed, then you can post a new for sale thread in the EE. Boltgun
 
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I am in the same boat - I have an FN that I take out of the safe once or twice a year, dry fire it (after checking the chamber of course;)) and then put it back into the safe. I'd like to sell it for a decent price to someone that would appreciate it and move on and buy something else.
Unfortunately I don't believe there is any option except to sell it to another 12-5 collector in Canada.

You see if the gov't waits long enough the problem of these firearms in civilian hands will go away as 12-5 collectors die off.
After you pass on the only option your estate has is to try to sell it to another 12-5 or give it to a museum or surrender it to authorities for destruction. I seriously doubt if you'd be allowed to ship it to the U.S. for sale.

Of course there are relatively few 12-5 collectors in the shooting community and fewer still that want to buy guns they can't shoot to add to their collection.
If you're lucky enough to find one they're certainly not going to pay you anything for it.:(
Thanks to the Liberals the dollar value of many of these types of firearms are now next to worthless. A fine bit of theft.:mad:
 
"...Can I sell it to someone with a prohib license?..." Hi. That's your only option. Other than deactivating or turning it in, without compensation, for destruction. Just remember that if you sell your last/only 12-5 firearm, you lose the permit permanently.
Exporting has its own headaches. Requires paperwork from our side and from wherever you plan on sending it. You can't, for example, just send it Stateside.
"...purchase something that I can use..." A POL only allows you to own what you had prior to December 1, 1998. It doesn't allow you to buy anything else. If you want to buy something that isn't prohibited, you'll have to upgrade to a PAL.
Ranges don't have 12-5 permits. The assorted CPFO's have decided that no ATT's will be issued for any flavour of prohibited firearm.
 
Your a lucky man , the HK91 is one of my favorite rifles and if i had a prohib license i would buy it from you without a doubt ..

But definitely keep it , #### em . Its a ridiculous FARCE that these firearms are prohibited to begin with as theyre no more dangerous than my semi m1a . We just have to keep on the conservatives to get an order in council removal .
 
Keep it defiantly. We tried to get the range thing overturned. It might work later. Or buy a cheap AK to stay in that class and pocket the difference. Don't deactivate!
 
Thanks!

I have to admit I was feeling like a bit of an exile when I found out I couldn't even leave the house with my rifle, but I'm glad to see that other people understand where I'm at :)
I've learned quite a bit by your comments, so thanks to all of you. I hadn't realized that by deactivating/selling my rifle I'd lose my prohib license/12-5 designation, so that's good to know. And I hadn't considered that the laws may change in my favour, but really, what are the odds of that? A topic for a different forum I'm sure ;)

I did realize I'd have to acquire my PAL in order to purchase a restricted weapon (thanks Sunray, it's next on my list), battle rifles are my passion due to my military background (PSE, I feel your pain regarding the FN, an old companion of mine hehe). On that note, I did see one at the Shooting Edge in Calgary, so there is a question in my mind about the whole range/12-5/acquisition thing. I may follow up with them and I'll let you all know.

To return the favour and as an FYI, I did speak to the ATT folks, apparently the HK can be exported but they did mention DFAIT paperwork on the Canadian side and other paperwork on the US side, so it can be done but the
overhead seems pretty high.

I agree with all of you that it seems absolutely ridiculous that it's ok to haul around a Swiss Arms (or substitute any semi-auto rifle here...) but not the HK..... *Sigh* :bangHead:

Anyway, now I have much more to consider, but if I can find an inexpensive battle rifle (not 12-5), maybe I'll hold onto the HK and hope for better times!
That or buy an acreage that I can shoot on :D
 
Alderius said:
Anyway, now I have much more to consider, but if I can find an inexpensive battle rifle (not 12-5), maybe I'll hold onto the HK and hope for better times!
That or buy an acreage that I can shoot on :D
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Better check that carefully. I know that I can not shoot restricteds on my own property (an acreage over an hour from Toronto), which is why I don't have any even though I have my restricted PAL. I am pretty certain that prohibiteds would be out of the question.
 
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Better check that carefully. I know that I can not shoot restricteds on my own property (an acreage over an hour from Toronto), which is why I don't have any even though I have my restricted PAL. I am pretty certain that prohibiteds would be out of the question.
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Really? I thought that was how the range operated with their weapons, they own the property so they get to shoot their prohib weapons on it........
I did see an FN on the rack, along with a few other goodies....
 
The range is not just a random chunk of private property. It is inspected and approved by the powers-that-be and must have special certification for use of restricted as opposed to merely non-restricted. My club is constantly suffering through shut-downs of the rifle range due to new and ever-more-stringent conditions being imposed.

And IMHO you should forget about just being "verrry careful". It's just not worth the potential legal hassles you will be subjected to if/when you get caught.

I am meticulous about dotting all the I's and crossing all the T's when it comes to legally shooting on my land, I have constructed a safe range with a big berm, and still I will occasionally look up to see a police cruiser parked outside my gate, responding to another complaint from some panicky idiotic anti who pees him/herself at the sound of gunfire.
 
The last amendment to the act to "streamline" the process was in fact designed to streamline the amount of work CFO offices have to do. Their paperwork went down. No permissions, no 'extra' work. They started this with the Libs, who then spun it as "machine-guns on the street" when this issue was raised again.
 
jjohnwm said:
The range is not just a random chunk of private property. It is inspected and approved by the powers-that-be and must have special certification for use of restricted as opposed to merely non-restricted. My club is constantly suffering through shut-downs of the rifle range due to new and ever-more-stringent conditions being imposed.

And IMHO you should forget about just being "verrry careful". It's just not worth the potential legal hassles you will be subjected to if/when you get caught.

I am meticulous about dotting all the I's and crossing all the T's when it comes to legally shooting on my land, I have constructed a safe range with a big berm, and still I will occasionally look up to see a police cruiser parked outside my gate, responding to another complaint from some panicky idiotic anti who pees him/herself at the sound of gunfire.
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Ahh, I figured that to be the case.... Not to worry, I don't have any property and it wasn't a serious consideration. However, the concept that you can't fire your own weapon on your own property (considering you have a proper backstop etc etc) is rather idiotic, considering if you had a hunting rifle firing the exact same ammo it wouldn't be an issue............between that and the prohib vs restricted licensing issue, I see that while I've been out of the loop, the government has reached new heights of stupidity.
 
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