just received new m14...have questions

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Just received a new Polytech M14/M305 from Wolverine Supplies that I bought as a gift for my 40th birthday. I'm not very familiar M14's so I have a few questions. I've been reading the forum for months on info about the M14 but I just want to confirm a few things.
First, it states it's a Poly Technologies make .308. Does that mean it's one of the "older" batch of M305s and not the new ones being imported now? Does that mean I can expect more issues regarding quality and operation?
Second, is it a problem that the flash hider is closed in and the slots are not cut out?
Third, should I use .308 or 7.62? I realize head space is an issue but assuming head space is what it is meant to be, which calibre should I use?
Fourth, it' bloody difficult to pull the operating rod handle back and #### the trigger. It comes back easy about 1/3 of the way and then you have to pull like a son of a ##### to get it to ####. Could this be a problem with the bolt "rubbing" somewhere or could it be a problem with the trigger group?
Fifth, it's also very hard to engage and disengage the safety. I can't do it by simply pulling it back with my trigger finger like I would if I were pulling the trigger. Could this be associated to my fourth question?
Thanks in advance for the info. I've really learned a lot in the past ten years or so lurking on these forums. There is an incredible wealth of knowledge contained here. I believe this is my first ever post.
 
viking said:
Just received a new Polytech M14/M305 from Wolverine Supplies that I bought as a gift for my 40th birthday. I'm not very familiar M14's so I have a few questions. I've been reading the forum for months on info about the M14 but I just want to confirm a few things.
First, it states it's a Poly Technologies make .308. Does that mean it's one of the "older" batch of M305s and not the new ones being imported now? Does that mean I can expect more issues regarding quality and operation?
Second, is it a problem that the flash hider is closed in and the slots are not cut out?
Third, should I use .308 or 7.62? I realize head space is an issue but assuming head space is what it is meant to be, which calibre should I use?
Fourth, it' bloody difficult to pull the operating rod handle back and #### the trigger. It comes back easy about 1/3 of the way and then you have to pull like a son of a ##### to get it to ####. Could this be a problem with the bolt "rubbing" somewhere or could it be a problem with the trigger group?
Fifth, it's also very hard to engage and disengage the safety. I can't do it by simply pulling it back with my trigger finger like I would if I were pulling the trigger. Could this be associated to my fourth question?
Thanks in advance for the info. I've really learned a lot in the past ten years or so lurking on these forums. There is an incredible wealth of knowledge contained here. I believe this is my first ever post.
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Question # 1...I would say no to the quality issues but others here know alot more than I

the answers to question # 2

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=528574


http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460508&page=2


Question 3...federal powershock blue box in 150 gr works good in mine...rebate from federal ammo on now

Question# 4 I assume you totally stripped and cleaned the cosmoline off it ? Is it well greased up in the tracks and on the side of the bolt and lug ?

Question # 5.....mine was stiff too but I kept working it back and forth a bunch of times and it loosened up...also take your trigger mech out and dry fire it like hungry recommends a crap load of times...keep an eye on the retaining pins as they can back out of their hole while doing this
 
You're worrying to much.
I have the same one with a solid flash hider, normal.
Headspace - you're worrying again.
It'll chew up commercial 308 all day long.
Clean the cosmo off and grease it up.

After you've cleaned & greased it pull back the op rod/bolt with no mag in and see what you think.
Swapping the stock spring for a USGI will make it even smoother.

Safety will be stupid stiff, it's new, no worries, it'll limber up.

In conclusion, shoot the hell out of it.
USGI spring, guide rod, buffer and piston are nice cheap mods and it'll run slicker than snot.

Don't spend a fortune, just shoot it. And be brutal with it, treat it like a $2 whore.
They must be tossed on the ground at least once per outing :D
 
TACTICAL111 said:
You're worrying to much.
I have the same one with a solid flash hider, normal.
Headspace - you're worrying again.
It'll chew up commercial 308 all day long.
Clean the cosmo off and grease it up.

After you've cleaned & greased it pull back the op rod/bolt with no mag in and see what you think.
Swapping the stock spring for a USGI will make it even smoother.

Safety will be stupid stiff, it's new, no worries, it'll limber up.

In conclusion, shoot the hell out of it.
USGI spring, guide rod, buffer and piston are nice cheap mods and it'll run slicker than snot.

Don't spend a fortune, just shoot it. And be brutal with it, treat it like a $2 whore.
They must be tossed on the ground at least once per outing :D
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Mental note never lend TACTICAL111 any of my guns :D
 
chalkriver said:
Question # 5.....mine was stiff too but I kept working it back and forth a bunch of times and it loosened up...also take your trigger mech out and dry fire it like hungry recommends a crap load of times...keep an eye on the retaining pins as they can back out of their hole while doing this
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Yah, they're a b!tch to get back in when this happens too.
 
read the stickies... the top threads in the main battle rifle forum..... there is also a "clinic" by master Hungry availlable for download...... have your rifle in hand and take it apart, familiarize yourself with it's parts. clean it from head to toe of anything that appears to be oil or residue. your gas cylinder and piston are to be run dry, zero oil or lubricant in there.
same goes for your bolt internals
reading the info here and watching hungry's dvd download can teach you a whole lot more than you can soak up in an evenin.

did it come in a plastic stock? if so, it's a newer import and nearly every single one of these 2009 imports, either norinco or polytech, have headspace measurements widely regarded as safe for commercial .308 (150gr to 174 gr) and surplus 7.62 nato either 147 gr fmj or 168 gr match.

welcome to the club ....... you can learn tonnes here both in the discussions and in the all important sticky threads.
cheers and have fun :D
 
all normal for the poly's mine is the same way i just manually cycled mine and oiled the hell out of it till it stopped making that grinding sound just dont use 180 gr it will hate you and they must be dropped, kicked and run over well maybe not run over
 
Mine is hard to pull the op rod back the first time as well and its greased up and cleaned nicely.

Anyone else? Just a few roungs to loosen things up?

Bill
 
the reason it's harder to pull the oprod back on an uncocked rifle is because the bolt is what is cocking the hammer. once the hammer is cocked and locked back by the sear, cycling the action would be easier and no doubt feel smoother......

grease your triggers hammer hooks and sear
grease the oprod receiver track
grease the cutout recess in the oprod where the bolt roller goes
grease the back of your bolts lugs
grease the tracks inside the receiver
lightly grease the top inside of the receiver
very light grease on oprod tube if desired

otherwise, no other lubricants and in the cold, less is better.
then go shoot her ;)
common "issues" are ALL outlined in the sticky threads , what to look for, DYI "corrections" ect.


I have noticed that many of the new import rifles in plastic stocks , purchased from certain dealers have been coming de-cosmolined and with virtually no lubricants....... they are very clean ;) , so if you have one of these, lube as above , I use Super Lube synthetic but there is all knds of greases that can be used....... just no oil...... oil is for wiping her down in crappy weather or for storage.
 
TACTICAL111 said:
You're worrying to much.
I have the same one with a solid flash hider, normal.
Headspace - you're worrying again.
It'll chew up commercial 308 all day long.
Clean the cosmo off and grease it up.

After you've cleaned & greased it pull back the op rod/bolt with no mag in and see what you think.
Swapping the stock spring for a USGI will make it even smoother.

Safety will be stupid stiff, it's new, no worries, it'll limber up.

In conclusion, shoot the hell out of it.
USGI spring, guide rod, buffer and piston are nice cheap mods and it'll run slicker than snot.

Don't spend a fortune, just shoot it. And be brutal with it, treat it like a $2 whore.
They must be tossed on the ground at least once per outing :D
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BA HA HA HA AH AH HA HA HA AH tactiawsome ha:
 
Been there, asked those questions! :)

I have three peices of advice:

1. Read the stickies, download the Hungry M14 clinic so you can pause and rewind at will, review a step-by-step disassembly guide like www.surplusrifle.com/m14m1a/rifledisassembly/index.asp while your own M14 is in your hands.

2. Get all that cosmoline and other crap outta that sporting tool!!! I don't know what trade/profession/money-making you are in but it would be like getting a new box of tools in 5 lbs/ 2 kgs of grease, a new computer stuffed full of packing popcorn or a new desk still in a double ply wooden crate. Then get it properly oiled and greased as you re-assemble it, as per the directions of those more expert than me that I followed (see #1).

3. Get some 147 - 174gr ammo and go practice with the thing. Just running some ammo through it will help a lot: it loosens up a bit and you get to know the feel of your M14.

An M14 is an awesome tool that can give you simple pleasure out on the range or in the field. Lots of people harvest a range of animals for sport and food alike.

I have only one dislike: those flash hiders have two small weld in them, and that sucks big time. :bangHead:
 
Thank M14 great explaination of cocking. Duh moment when I read it. I have enough grease but not too much I guess all that is left is to put some rounds down range and hope my Johnston stays attached :D
 
the two small weld's on the flash hider's are no match for a few guys with a hammer and vise ;) Shoot it....shooot it some more...and then shoot it a bit more. I found that the more rounds i put though mine the smoother it felt
 
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