Anyone know why the FN FAL was outlawed??

The FN was put on the restricted list earlier than 1995 when every black rifle was singled out as restricted or prohibited.

The FN was put on the restricted list by Order In Council # 13. I don't know if all cards are marked 12(5) OIC #13 but mine is marked that way. I was told the reason it was enacted because of the Australian L1s would take C1 parts. There was a fear of C1 parts trickeling out of the armories and finding their way into Australian L1s.

The Australian FNs had the bottom of their carriers modified so the safety sears wouldn't work. In the attached picture you can see the bottom of this unaltered carrier, it has two tabs at the back. One is longer than the other, the longer side trips a safety sear when the bolt is in battery and safe to shoot. By cutting back the long side so it is even with the other, and grinding the safety sear the FN has the potential to blow up a round before the round is completely chambered.
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The rest of the FNs that came in after that were unaltered.

My first FN was Australian and it was considered an unrestricted firearm. When it was put on the restricted list, like a good little Canadian I took it down to the local detachment and registered it.

Most of the the gun laws changed after events in Canada

In the beginning or end of 1968 the SMG law was enacted.

After the FLQ crises, it was found the terrorists used the M1 Carbine. The Government put that little gun on the restricted list because its barrel was less than 18 1/2".

Denis Lortie, a Canadian soldier who walked into the Quebec National Assembly carrying a sub-machine gun. This guy killed three people using a C1 SMG.

The list of Black Rifles found at the Oaka stand off was used in the new gun laws. The Government used Marc Lépine and the "École Polytechnique massacre" and "Violence Against Women" to sell the new gun laws to the urban public, and especially the female voters.
 
Duffyam said:
The C1A1 and L1A1 only needed a paper match stick in the sear to make them full auto.

Fact if not the reason.
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yea, and everybody from recruit on up knew about that- and the tin foil from the cigarette pack as well- i can;t remember getting cigarettes in the rat packs on this side of the border though-
 
Once again people - the C1 was NOT full auto/selective fire and contains no parts to allow it!! Neither does the 1A1 or L1A1!
Man - there is sooo much fail on this thread.....
 
Once again people - the C1 was NOT full auto/selective fire and contains no parts to allow it!! Neither does the 1A1 or L1A1!
Man - there is sooo much fail on this thread.....


Ok.......I believe they were talking about a modded C1......C2 Breach block only had a heavier extractor...C2 change lever had an extra notch on the opposite side as the C1...C2 had a heavier barrell and bipod and I believe other than the mags they were the same internally...didnt take much too make a C1 fully auto....all stock C1 components ..
 
chalkriver said:
..didnt take much too make a C1 fully auto....all stock C1 components ..
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Didn't take much to malfunction or just lose interest in trying it either though. To be most honest, I never saw a single such iteration with live rounds. Granted, more of an eyes on condition that no one would be dopey enough to risk. But the practicallity just was never there.

Always horse play with blank ammunition. Fun, but not really impressive.

You know where it sits categorically? Somewhere between bump firing and those ### crank kits people buy in the US to 'rock full auto"


But yeah. Trivially converted with random junk from your pockets.



Chalk, you wouldn't be a guy familiar with rigging that FN C1A1 for PELS by chance?
 
Damn.

Remember the bent barrels of the FAL on full equipment drops? I can't recall a post SARP C7 bending like that.

Certainly recall at least 2 and possibly 3 C1A1s with bent barrels from hard full-equipment landings -- across more than a few operational and admin drops.

Fair winds and soft landings bud.
 
There wasn't much difference between a C1 trigger system and a C2. The bolt, gas system and most of the internal parts are the same as a C1. The only difference was the selector, and trigger plunger.
 
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I remember putting a match under the sear to fire full auto with the fnc1 I tried it only once with blanks, once you pulled the trigger it would empty the full mag and you could not stop it.I would not of tried that with ball ammo the c1 would have been all over the place with no way to stop firing the rifle . tried it once for the hell of it but like SPRINT said fun, but not really impressive.Now the C2 that was a different ball game.
 
BattleRife said:
I'm sorry, but every answer above is nonsense, plain and simple (with the possible exception of "because it's a hot little rifle").

This comment is especially off the mark:


The prohibited list never had anything with "easily convertible to full auto" guns. It was ALWAYS 100% about guns that looked scary. That is why, officially, guns were graded on a point scale. Any gun receiving 50 points was prohibited, and the presence of a pistol grip earned 49.

The FAL (and all variants) became prohibited on January 1, 1995, the same day as the AK-47, HK 91, Galil, Sig PE57, Beretta BM-59, AR-18, Daewoo K1, FN-FNC and a bunch of other rifles. The FAL was not singled out in any way, not for its capabilities, not for any eccentricities of its trigger system, not for its availability. Essentially, every centrefire semi-auto rifle with a pistol grip, except the AR-15. became prohibited. The Liberal government was trying to remove non-sporting "assault rifles" from civilian hands, and the FN-FAL fell into that category.
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AR18 is non-restricted.

direction88 said:
Oh god another "can someone explain why the ### is restricted/prohibited" NO! Unless you speak/understand the language of MORON then it cannot be explained or understood.
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I'll ask one of my liberal friends for some explanation. :D

enefgee said:
Jungle warfare with the FN, now there's a nightmare - must be like endlessly untieing a knot with chopsticks. I guess your rifle is pretty well camoflaged after the first half hour though, bet it weighs thirty pounds too.
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The Rhodesian's tore up hell with the FN FALs. It was one of the few places where the name, "right arm of the free world", actually fit it's use.
 
you don't notice the weight IN COMBAT- you're more concerned with BREAK CONTACT- complete misson- it's only when you're sloggin trail that you b*tch about the weight of your kit- then the sarge/cpo/ whatever gives you the lmg to tote for a while
 
t-star said:
yea, and everybody from recruit on up knew about that- and the tin foil from the cigarette pack as well- i can;t remember getting cigarettes in the rat packs on this side of the border though-
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RP-4 and IMP had no smokes ever. Only uncle Sam was thoughtful enough to include ciggys in field rats. Poor Herbie here had to come up with ingenious ways to protect large quantities of smokes carried on the person in the field from being crushed and/or soaked.
 
I remember being on the range one day with a C2, and after quite a few mags the vibration was so bad that the pistol grip came apart in my hands.

Another night I was firing trace (which was a no no) with a C1 and the flash eliminator split back like a banana peel. It was tough explaining that one to the range officer.........

Aaah, the good old days.... :)
 
The fnfal was listed by

"Former Prohibited Weapons Order No. 13 (in effect since January 1, 1995)

# The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FAL (FN-LAR) rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FN 308 Model 44, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Competition Auto, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Heavy Barrel 308 Match, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Paratrooper 308 Match 50-64 and FN 308 Model 50-63.

The prohibited weapons list aside from pistols of 4.25" or less, is a direct result of the US federal assault weapons ban. The federal ban listed weapons in terms of specifications for the ban. In Canada it was taken directly to naming the weapons, therefore effectively making the weapon prohibited over night. By directly banning the weapon in name it eliminates any challenge to the ban, were as the American ban is a vague set of specifications, which is why it was easy to let die in 2004, calls for its reinstatement are growing after the Arizona shootings.
 
eos said:
RP-4 and IMP had no smokes ever. Only uncle Sam was thoughtful enough to include ciggys in field rats. Poor Herbie here had to come up with ingenious ways to protect large quantities of smokes carried on the person in the field from being crushed and/or soaked.
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I remember seeing very old WWII canadian rations with cigs once
 
eos said:
RP-4 and IMP had no smokes ever. Only uncle Sam was thoughtful enough to include ciggys in field rats. Poor Herbie here had to come up with ingenious ways to protect large quantities of smokes carried on the person in the field from being crushed and/or soaked.
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us non smokers used to wait until the guys that were addicted to the stuff would run out( there were NEVER enough) and sell ours BY THE CIGARETTE - you could get as much as a quarter in REAL MONEY ( you know what that means) for one
 
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