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gaddye

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I picked up a 25-06 in a Rugar M 77, Mark 2, bolt safty and has a 24 inch barrel. When I shoot Federal 117 grain factory loads I'm bang on at 100 yrds, 1 inch low at 200 and 12 inches high at 300. I bought this gun for yotes only and because of our wind in Southern AB I thought the 25-06 would reach a little farther than my 243.

I'm looking for 120 grn loads that work to save me time and money, so if you can please help.

Doug
 
You can get lots of free load data, including manual downloads from bullet and powder manufacturers' web sites.

Not sure why you are zeroed at 100, low at 200 and 12" high at 300.
 
gaddye said:
When I shoot Federal 117 grain factory loads I'm bang on at 100 yrds, 1 inch low at 200 and 12 inches high at 300.
Doug
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That makes no sense. Is there a typo? Can you explain a little more?

I too recommend Google as a friend and a way to find the bullet and powder companies' load data.
 
snoopycda said:
possible parallax problem? scope related i think.
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Not sure what you mean by parallax problem could you please explain ?

No typo it shoots a foot high at 300 yrds.

What I"m looking for is a specific load from someone who has the same gun, not a bunch of load data. I"m trying to avoid making loads with ten different powders.

Thanks Doug
 
Well, I'm not going to be much help because I think there is just no way a bullet can go from being 1" low at 200 yards to 12" high at 300. It is impossible. Since I don't understand what is going on, my advice is not very reliable.

I will say, however, that the chances of any specific load someone suggests to you (even if they use the same gun) being the best load for your gun are very small. Very.

You need to work up loads for YOUR gun using YOUR components and YOUR loading practices. There is no way to avoid testing loads with different components, charge levels, bullet types, bullet weights, and so on. At least not if you want the very best loads for your purpose and rifle.

But the first issue in my mind is to find out why you are getting results that defy logic and physics. That, I can't answer.
 
What scope do you have on the Ruger?

As mentioned there is no way a bullet that is high at 100 and lower at 200 will rise again at 300.
 
As several have said, this is just not possible, without something happening to the sighting arrangement.
So the question is, is this repeatable? In other words, did it just happen once, or can you return to the range and repeat it?
In the case of happening once, it is likely the scope, maybe the cross hairs moving inside.
I had a good Refield scope go something like that once. A five shot group had three in a cluster where they should be, and two a foot low at 100 metres, from a rifle that didn't shoot like that. It took a few sessions at the range to determine what the scope was doing, because it could be at one of the two locations, dead on or a foot low, while the mounts were solid.
In any case, don't fiddle around trying other loads, until you determine the cause of phenomina.
 
gaddye said:
I picked up a 25-06 in a Rugar M 77, Mark 2, bolt safty and has a 24 inch barrel. When I shoot Federal 117 grain factory loads I'm bang on at 100 yrds, 1 inch low at 200 and 12 inches high at 300. I bought this gun for yotes only and because of our wind in Southern AB I thought the 25-06 would reach a little farther than my 243.

I'm looking for 120 grn loads that work to save me time and money, so if you can please help.

Doug
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Pick a bullet, check the manufacturers' data (many suggest best load), or the powder that you have and velocity you want, and start with the start load with one powder and one bullet. You don't need 10 powders, possibly 2 at the most. If the rifle is good, you are likely to zero in quickly. Any suggestions from other users would probably still result in you needing to try a couple of powders.
As for your trajectory, not possible.
 
gaddye said:
Not sure what you mean by parallax problem could you please explain ?

No typo it shoots a foot high at 300 yrds.

What I"m looking for is a specific load from someone who has the same gun, not a bunch of load data. I"m trying to avoid making loads with ten different powders.

Thanks Doug
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parallax is where your scope is focused more or less what type of optics and rings are on the rifle? is your grouping at the three ranges repeatable? have you done this same thing on different days? how close do you hold your head to the scope or how far away? sight picture should be filling the scope. i am not telling you how to shoot, just trying to help.
 
gaddye said:
Not sure what you mean by parallax problem could you please explain ?

No typo it shoots a foot high at 300 yrds.

What I"m looking for is a specific load from someone who has the same gun, not a bunch of load data. I"m trying to avoid making loads with ten different powders.

Thanks Doug
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With a bit of research most cartridges can be reloaded with one powder...just need to work up the charge with the bullet you want. IMR 4831 looks like it gives good speed with bullets from 100-120 gr.

btw I cant understand the ballistics you just posted...I guess Im tired..will read again in the morning.
 
Well guys thanks for all the info but I believe my problem is in the factory packaging . I had 3 boxes of factory ammo come with the gun. The 3 boxes are all identical right down to the lot #. I shot 1 box at 100 yrds and 200 yrds then opened another box and shot 6 rnds at my 300 yrd target only to find that I was a foot high with a 5 inch group. I just finished pulling some bullets apart and I have two different rounds one is 100 grn and the other is 117 grn . They were in 2 different boxes.

I"m not sure where or how these got switched but my buddy bought this ammo just before hunting season and it came to me unopened by him and in the bag from the store.
 
gaddye said:
Well guys thanks for all the info but I believe my problem is in the factory packaging . I had 3 boxes of factory ammo come with the gun. The 3 boxes are all identical right down to the lot #. I shot 1 box at 100 yrds and 200 yrds then opened another box and shot 6 rnds at my 300 yrd target only to find that I was a foot high with a 5 inch group. I just finished pulling some bullets apart and I have two different rounds one is 100 grn and the other is 117 grn . They were in 2 different boxes.

I"m not sure where or how these got switched but my buddy bought this ammo just before hunting season and it came to me unopened by him and in the bag from the store.
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well, that explains some things.
 
gaddye said:
Well guys thanks for all the info but I believe my problem is in the factory packaging . I had 3 boxes of factory ammo come with the gun. The 3 boxes are all identical right down to the lot #. I shot 1 box at 100 yrds and 200 yrds then opened another box and shot 6 rnds at my 300 yrd target only to find that I was a foot high with a 5 inch group. I just finished pulling some bullets apart and I have two different rounds one is 100 grn and the other is 117 grn . They were in 2 different boxes.

I"m not sure where or how these got switched but my buddy bought this ammo just before hunting season and it came to me unopened by him and in the bag from the store.
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What store? What manufacturer? What lot numbers?

This is a recall required situation that everyone needs to know about. Mis-labelled and packaged ammunition from a factory is a very bad situation. Word about this should get to everyone involved.

Right?
 
rral22 said:
What store? What manufacturer? What lot numbers?

This is a recall required situation that everyone needs to know about. Mis-labelled and packaged ammunition from a factory is a very bad situation. Word about this should get to everyone involved.

Right?
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Well the ammo isn't dangerous it's just not labeled correctly. It could be no more than an accident like a customer looking at 2 boxes of ammo and slipped them back into the wrong sleeve which looks the same.

I"ll go see the store owner on monday (I need more stuff anyway) and if there was a recall I'm sure he already knows and has removed stock , if not he'll deal with the manufacturer. I trust this guy because I've dealt with him for years and he's always done right by me.

I'll update when I know more.
 
As Bruce asked. Is all of this a one off or is it all repeatable? I highly doubt that parallax is the problem. I can see it causing a few inches at 300 but 12 inches is pretty extreme. If your stock has some fore end pressure it may be pushing slightly harder against the barrel as the temps rise. Have you tried shooting 300 yards from a cold barrel. Is the barrel free floating?

Just one other thing, are the bullets you are using flat base? If so what is the twist rate of your rifling? If it is more than 1 in 10, your 120 grain bullets may be losing stability by the time they get out to 300 yards. I had a similar problem with a Remington 700 that had been re barreled with a 1-12 inch twist rate. It loves 100 grain bullets though and for coyotes, the ballistics on that bullet are very impressive right out to 500 yards. Boat tail bullets could conceivably give you similar problems if twist rate is slow.
 
bearhunter said:
As Bruce asked. Is all of this a one off or is it all repeatable? I highly doubt that parallax is the problem. I can see it causing a few inches at 300 but 12 inches is pretty extreme. If your stock has some fore end pressure it may be pushing slightly harder against the barrel as the temps rise. Have you tried shooting 300 yards from a cold barrel. Is the barrel free floating?

Just one other thing, are the bullets you are using flat base? If so what is the twist rate of your rifling? If it is more than 1 in 10, your 120 grain bullets may be losing stability by the time they get out to 300 yards. I had a similar problem with a Remington 700 that had been re barreled with a 1-12 inch twist rate. It loves 100 grain bullets though and for coyotes, the ballistics on that bullet are very impressive right out to 500 yards. Boat tail bullets could conceivably give you similar problems if twist rate is slow.
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bearhunter, 6 shots a 300 all high, the barrel is free floating and I can slide a 20 dollar bill through between the stock and barrel. The barrel was cold because it was -22 and I wated about 1 minute between shots.The twist rate is 1-10 acording to the manufactuer but I"ll check it myself. The bullets arn"t boat tail. Not sure if you saw my post on having the100 grn bullets in a 117 grn box ? I shot the 100s at 300 yards only and I think that is most of my problem but I've been wrong before. ha ha
 
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