Concealed weapon or not: The bush and animal protection

boonie carry

APU

Bully for you! Shooting an 'antique' revolver on private rural property is one thing, with or without the presence of an officer of the court who happens to be a personal friend; or at least friendly. Have you done it in the boonies?

I've had a lawyer friend that owned a 6.5 Jap LMG (payment in lieu of cash from a client) and HE told me of a judge of the provincial Supreme Court that owned a fully operational brass jacketed Maxim on a tripod - no papers in either case.
I live rurally and have a private range within my property that meets all safety requirements. Theoretically, I can discharge my 'antique' revolver there, but not my restricted handguns.
I often encounter bears on the property, especially during berry season and have even been challenged by a cow moose defending her calf. I have shot several rds at a bear with a revolver (a .45 LC fired over the head of a black bear at point blank range has little to no effect on a hungry bear. Nor do shots fired into the dirt behind it's heels) to drive it off the porch and away from the house, only to have it return to the neighbours property where I shot it with a rifle.
I'm still waiting for the factual account of someone discharging an 'antique' in the boonies and discussing it with a LEO on the ground or being found discharging one in a hunting environment, with or without paper work.
 
Thats Great info to share Brotherockeye !

I just copyied and pasted that Post and will print it off.

I Carry a set of Storage Display Transportation and Handleing of firearms as well as they are what the CFOs go by.

I called the B.C CFO Office years ago now and asked point blank could i pack a antique revolver in the bush for target shooting in remoat locations.
All the B.C CFOs had a 2 Hr meeting there reply was theres nothing in the regs to say its ilegal.
And if your read the transport and use Regs its spells out that antiques can be discharged ANYWHERE a Non restricted firearm can be discharged.
Not hunting TARGET SHOOTING.

So as long as your reason for haveing that antique on you is to target shoot in places its legal to discharge a non restricted firearm then its ok in B.C going from the CFOs and the regs available to me to read.
 
HeadDamage said:
Would this not mean that you can't carry a loaded antique?
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If i carry my antique in the bush its in USE not any of the above.
I can stop and target shoot anywhere i want, so consider the antique revolver in use once your out in the area a non restricted can be discharged.

READ STORAGE DISPLAY TRANSPORTATION AND HANDLEING OF FIREAMS....

(5) Sections 5 to 13 do not apply to antique firearms.

Application.. Right at the start of the regs after Interpretation.

(3) Sections 5 to 14 do not apply to firearms when used or handled by people in the course of any of the following.
(a) Hunting and TARGET SHOOTING

Its confuseing but if you learn how to read the confuseing Storage Display and Transportation and Handleing of firearms its all there.
 
Antique handguns need to be transported in a locked box? First I had heard of this, but certainly no a deal breaker considering they have sane regulations on other points.

I have been meaning to buy an antique revolver, but never was sure what was best for a newbie with no reloading experience....
 
I have a question,riding on a horse in the bush,that would be transporting?
I would have a few pack horses to do an old style of camping.
Not what some may think of me riding around like in the movies.
 
Sharps '63 said:
APU

Bully for you! Shooting an 'antique' revolver on private rural property is one thing, with or without the presence of an officer of the court who happens to be a personal friend; or at least friendly. Have you done it in the boonies?
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By boonies I take it to mean crown land. I am fortunate enough to have the run of several private sections of land so honestly I have never felt the need to burden the Queen with my presence or antique handgun discharge on her property. Ultimately I fail to see the distinction between the two types of properties unless there is concern that a provincial hunting, or municiple bylaw is going to be broken. That said your not likely to see me on crown land packing(just a personal preference).

Sharps '63 said:
I often encounter bears on the property, especially during berry season and have even been challenged by a cow moose defending her calf. I have shot several rds at a bear with a revolver (a .45 LC fired over the head of a black bear at point blank range has little to no effect on a hungry bear.
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I'm sure you meant this was while you were target practicing and the caliber was .41LC ;)
 
Re. APU's experience with bears failing to be bothered by the discharge of a firearm ...... I also have attempted to drive a bear away by firing a 45-70 to impact a foot or two to the side. The bear couldn't care less and this was a bear that had probably never seen a human before. A sidearm, antique or otherwise, is essentially a last resort when you are bowled over by a bear, or one of your kids finds a Cougar on their head, during a portage and your rifle is in a case being carried by your wife who is 30 yards back on the portage, and grievous physical injury is about to take place. It is then that it would be nice to plant the muzzle of an antique pistol against the side of the bear's head, or pointing upwards under it's throat, and pull the trigger. I've taken my family remote wilderness canoeing and camping for about 20 years, and there is no way a fellow can be always carrying a rifle in one hand while he is chopping wood, making supper, portaging, or fishing. In fact, with kids in the camp, my rifle is always cased and unloaded in camp.
 
budman said:
I have a question,riding on a horse in the bush,that would be transporting?
I would have a few pack horses to do an old style of camping.
Not what some may think of me riding around like in the movies.
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In the bush,in the pasture,down a fence line...I consider that "in use" here.

Remember,for all intents and purposes an antique revolver is the equivalent of a non restricted long gun.
In Sask,according to provincial regs,as long as it isn't loaded then it's fine to have on the back of a horse.

oh and yes,bears don't give a rats arse about being shot AT!
I was mock charged shortly after putting some 12ga buck between the ears of a boar at about 15ft... as I recall he didn't even blink.:bangHead:
 
Just to be clear on what you said,if cap n ball,I'd have
to remove the caps before remounting the horse,or
remove the shells from a SAA?
I am trying to get an understanding from the people
have and use these antiques.

Thank you for the replies:cool:
 
I can't say definitively for your situation because I don't know where you live or any location specific laws/bylaws.

For me,I go by the laws I posted on page 8 as well as the rules set out in our provincial hunting regs,just to be on the safe side.

Here(SK) you can have an unloaded firearm horseback.

If you want hard facts you should contact someone in your area (ie:LEO) that knows FOR SURE!
 
BrotherRockeye said:
(3) An individual may transport an antique firearm that is a handgun only if it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.
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I hope all the "canoeists", including the OP, have one of these containers handy while canoeing, unless you have a very convincing explanation of "in use" for this circumstance.....;)
 
Not to be a nay sayer but I just can't see the powers that be allowing the carry of antique handguns... not if they keep reading these posts anyway.
 
HeadDamage said:
Not to be a nay sayer but I just can't see the powers that be allowing the carry of antique handguns... not if they keep reading these posts anyway.
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No kidding. Reading some of these threads could give the wrong people the idea that guys are running all over the woods like Jesse James & Co. :eek:

Seriously, in BC the law says it is unlawful to hunt game with a handgun. If by some miracle you were able to stop the 1000lb. charging grizzly with your .455, you could be in serious trouble.

A lot depends on your local CO. A few years ago, Dad asked a CO, what if he had to shoot a bear while fishing? The CO told him he would have to PROVE to him it was self defense, which would be pretty hard unless he were actually bitten. He told him to buy a bear tag, and to cancel the tag if he had to shoot one.

If you carry an antique handgun while hunting, in addition to your rifle, it could be said that you are "hunting with a handgun", since you're carrying it while hunting.

Even a bicycle is considered a vehicle, as I understand it, so you'd have to lock up the gun in an opaque container while cycling.

Can't remember about the canoe, but for some reason, I think there is an exception for un powered boats? :confused: Someone else can look it up.

If you did get caught, depending on the CO, you could end up in court.

The best policy is to simply keep a low profile, and don't start threads like this one.
 
In the absence of any real solid clarity regarding the legalities of the carry/use of an antique revolver in the bush, for target shooting purposes, it seems to me the 'Dingus Method' makes most sense. A holster on a shoulder strap that can be 'adjusted' to suit the circumstances.

My question is; ... must a 'holster' be of a shape that confirms it's contents as a handgun?.

Tradex sells flare gun holsters with a shoulder strap that are very suitable to protect an expensive, fragile, antique. They are however rectangular in shape. Not obviously a conventional 'holster'. Any opinions on this carry option would be appreciated.

Wondering at what point discrete becomes concealed.
 
BUSHMAN79 said:
Seriously, in BC the law says it is unlawful to hunt game with a handgun. If by some miracle you were able to stop the 1000lb. charging grizzly with your .455, you could be in serious trouble.
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If you're walking around the woods and get attacked by a bear and you shoot and kill it with your antique revolver you are not HUNTING. It is self defense. It doesn't matter what you use for self defense, or where you use it. Chainsaw, spear, antique firearm it doesn't matter.
Of course at some point you're gonna have to be able to articulate to a judge that you were in fear for your life. It would be the same if you used your Glock to defend your life in your home. Perfectly legal, as long as it's a valid self defense situation.
 
joe-nwt said:
I hope all the "canoeists", including the OP, have one of these containers handy while canoeing, unless you have a very convincing explanation of "in use" for this circumstance.....;)
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what are you talking about..?

you quoted a c/p of a piece of a regulation.

why should I need an explanation?


Really though...having a plastic hand gun case along(waterproof,floats ;) ) isn't so hard to figure out is it?
 
When canoeing in remote areas, I keep my antique pistol in a locked and floatable container to cover both the transport requirement and the possibility of dumping.
 
BrotherRockeye said:
what are you talking about..?

you quoted a c/p of a piece of a regulation.

why should I need an explanation?


Really though...having a plastic hand gun case along(waterproof,floats ;) ) isn't so hard to figure out is it?
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There were posters refering to holstered antiques while in a canoe. I just quoted a part of your post to remind folks that that would be illegal. If anyone actually cared.....:p
 
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