SKS for CQB

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Greetings,

I know I am going to get the just get an Norc M$ arguments here, but I want to get an SKS anyway, it is non restricted, and with the right ammo, I can use it for coyotes as well. Can't do that with a Norc M4.

Are there any folks who are using an SKS for CQB? How do you find it? Are you competitive (Don't care about winning, just wanna have fun)? Do you find stripper clip reloads fast enough? Is surplus ammo good enough for the ranges that CQB uses?

I plan on tarting it up with a Tapco stock and was also wondering what would be a suitable optic for considering it will be mounted way up front as a scout setup?

Any helpful hints or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. And yes, I will eventually e getting an M4 or AR of sometime, but it may not be until after basic training this summer. May not even have time to shoot any CQB matches depending on timing and how BMQ goes.

Thanks in advance,

Matt
 
Hey Matt, I think the biggest arguement you will get out of the SKS, Is the cqb part. The SKS has more of a battle rifle feel, than a assault rifle feel. The SKS is a bomb proof rifle but kinda front heavy feeling.

I have a tapco on my SKS-D, having an adjustable stock helps. Being able to shorten the throw and get the rifle in closer to your body helps. I have a front grip this also helps, don't pistol grip it just cup it to pull the rifle into your body. As far as mount the sight up front, remeber you will be removing the part alot to clean the gas piston. It may need to be resighted, if not properly realigned.

Honestly, I would look a EE find a good deal on a 858 non-res. folding stock. This rifle has a great feel very fast, no need for a different stock. You could also take it out Yotey hunting, with a folding stock would be very compact to pack.
 
If your choice is to run the SKS you have, or to not compete, he11 yeah bring the SKS. If you are wondering what to purchase, there are some better options. Best bang for the buck comp/coyote rig is an 858 IMO. I am not a real big fan of the x39 for hunting, but I'd much rather hunt with the guy that shoots thousands of rnds of x39 from field positions each year then the guy with an ubermagnum that can only shoot it off sandbags and a bench.

The SKS gives you a short, light, fast handling rifle in a calibre that is stupid cheap to shoot, and won't break. It also has sights that are easy to track. The 858 has all this, but gives you mags for round in chamber reloads, and something to shoot off when prone.

In Calgary, it is not overly uncommon to see SKS on the line in 1-12 competiton out to 500m. I am sure that there will be some in CQB when we start it up this year. The 858 is more common thne the SKS though.

If you want to use an SKS for CQB, I'd just get fast with drawing strippers from your pocket, and getting them in. You can practice this with empty cases, or epoxy some brass balls in the neck, and practise closing the bolt as well.
 
Hi,

So I've done service CQB with the ORA for the last 2 years and I have seen a few people with SKS's. If I remember correctly, they did quite well. Mind you, the stages are all timed, and there are several stages where you will have to get several rounds off and do a reload before finishing that stage. It is possible to do this with stripper clips, but very difficult IMO.

So to answer the original question: Yes, you can do CQB with an SKS, and it sure beats the alternative of not shooting at all... but a CZ 858 (or the CZ bren that is now available in 5.56) would be much better suited to CQB shooting conditions while remaining non-restricted (and under $1000 to boot).
 
Anyone know what a CZ858 goes for, I really don't know. What I do know is that a friend bought the SKS last week (new?) for $150. I saw one in a shop today, laminated stock and waayyyy better looking than most I've seen at the range, for $199. That's almost what I paid in TAXES on the last rifle I bought.
 
big boar said:
Anyone know what a CZ858 goes for, I really don't know. What I do know is that a friend bought the SKS last week (new?) for $150. I saw one in a shop today, laminated stock and waayyyy better looking than most I've seen at the range, for $199. That's almost what I paid in TAXES on the last rifle I bought.
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$699 seems to be the going rate for a new 858 w/4 mags from a dealer. You could probably find a good condition one for around $600 in the EE.
 
I have shot CQB with a SKS, 858 and a M4gery.

Problem with SKS is that although a stripper clip reload is fast, the mag cannot be laoded with another 5 when there is one up the spout. This really scews up re-load times.
 
you can use one and there are a few guys that do, however as stated above the big draw back is gonna be the time you lose on reloads because of the stripper clips
 
Paden Full said:
Greetings,

I know I am going to get the just get an Norc M$ arguments here, but I want to get an SKS anyway, it is non restricted, and with the right ammo, I can use it for coyotes as well. Can't do that with a Norc M4.

Are there any folks who are using an SKS for CQB? How do you find it? Are you competitive (Don't care about winning, just wanna have fun)? Do you find stripper clip reloads fast enough? Is surplus ammo good enough for the ranges that CQB uses?

I plan on tarting it up with a Tapco stock and was also wondering what would be a suitable optic for considering it will be mounted way up front as a scout setup?

Any helpful hints or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. And yes, I will eventually e getting an M4 or AR of sometime, but it may not be until after basic training this summer. May not even have time to shoot any CQB matches depending on timing and how BMQ goes.

Thanks in advance,

Matt
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No you cannot. Caliber limitations are in effect on small game here in ON, .270 max.
 
Bolivar said:
Re-read the regulations. That limit only applies to certain counties in Ontario, not the rest. I was fooled for a long time on that one too but I checked it out with a retired CO.
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I did and it doesn't say anything about specific counties. Could you please show me where in the regulations it specifies that, or a link. Thanks in advance.
 
TERMINATOR101CA said:
I did and it doesn't say anything about specific counties. Could you please show me where in the regulations it specifies that, or a link. Thanks in advance.
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Just out of curiosity, I googled "ontario hunting regulations calbre restrictions", and guess what? There was the list of southern Ontario counties and regional municipalities where rifles over .275" cannot be used under a small game licence.
 
See page 71 of the 2010 regulations

The holder of a small game licence may not use a rifle of
greater calibre than .275, except a flintlock or percussion
cap muzzle-loading gun, for hunting small game in
the counties of Brant, Elgin, Essex, Huron, Lambton,
Middlesex, Northumberland, Oxford, Perth and
Wellington and the regional municipalities of Chatham/
Kent, Durham, the former regional municipalities of
Haldimand-Norfolk and Hamilton-Wentworth, Halton,
Niagara, Peel, Waterloo and York and the City of Toronto.
 
Back to the OP, I have attended exactly one CQB match so of course I am an expert on all related matters :D

The issue I would see would be that some of the reloads are setup to be done after 4 rounds are fired, with a live round in the chamber. This is done on with "double taps" of which you will shoot 5 for a total of 10 rounds. You are given I believe 4 seconds for each double with a bit of time between each double for mag changes. This is easy with a detachable mag, not possible with stripper clips.

You basically would have to plan out your mag changes and load 4 to start say so after 4 rounds fired, strip a new clip but....you would have one extra mag change compared to the somebody using mags. I guess this could be done if you loaded 4 again and then 2 for your final double. Loading from strippers can be done fast with practice.

Valmet762 already said that he has done it and had tips. He coached me with my AR for my first (only) match and he was a big help, I'm sure his advice with be good for you.
 
valmet762 said:
SKS for CQB? absolutely! you have to get a little creative with the reloading.. i did CQB twice with my sks and i learned a few tricks.. i am willing to share them.. :D
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Please share your sks tricks. I'm thinking about trying cqb in 2012 and only have an sks. I would appreciate some training advice for winter prep.
 
If the SKS is all you can afford well it is a good start. A CQB distances the lack of long range accuracy isn't going to be a problem. A couple of things I have tried is cutting the stripper clips down to 5 rds make them very slick to load with. I crimp one end and colour the crimped end with orange paint, that way under stress you always know "orange is up"

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By lawrence9 at 2007-12-09

You can fit 20 of these clips very nicely in an M1 Garand cartridge belt.
 
Sam Fisher said:
Please share your sks tricks. I'm thinking about trying cqb in 2012 and only have an sks. I would appreciate some training advice for winter prep.
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lots of good advice in the previous posts.. most of the same stuff i did and then some..

loading the stripper clips with 4 rounds helps.. you just have to do more reloads (but most of the reloads fall between drills).. the other option is to use 5 round stripper clips and then fire an extra shot (shoot 2+3 instead of 2+2) this forces you to shoot faster and you have to keep track of where the extra shot went for the next string).. i ended up using the 2+3 method with better results.

i tried cutting the clips to hold just 5, but i found that if i left them long, i could get them out of my mag pouch easier.. it was also easier to orient the rounds so they all point in the same direction when i left the clips full length.

overall the best advise i can give whether using an AR or SKS is to NOT rush.. there is plenty of time to complete the drills, and rushing will only cause you to get jams and double feeds when reloading..

fortunately with the cost of 7.62x39, practice is cheap.

good luck and hope to see you out there in the spring.
 
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