ar 180b for 2012
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angrysoldier
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i have lots of money, but i wont spend it on guns worth half the price just so someone can tell me " no its worth it". really? an 1500 dollar ar? please. back in the day i paid 550 for a ak 47 with a drum mag. i also paid 200 for an fn fal. dont tell me because today the cost of doing business you have to rob me of 3000 dollars for a 1000 rifle. i dont mind you making a profit but be honest, dont gouge me bro.
When it comes to the price of a rifle it's no different than buying a truck. Do I think there is a GM, Ford, or Dodge out there worth $60000? Nope not on your life but people keep paying it so I drive an '06 that cost me less than $15000. It costs what it costs, if you don't like it don't buy one, if you like the rifle you probably think it's worth it and you'll find it in your budget to get one. It isn't gouging it's called retail. Until there is no more demand the price will stay high. It sucks but it's not gonna change no matter how much you cry or stomp your feet.
As an aside, the rifles in the US were $600 before any taxes and shipping and were imported by Wolverine when the C-dollar was only worth about $.072 US.
That means based on exchange, the price would be $768. Now let's take the average sales tax in Canada (this was BEFORE the conservatives knocked 2 pts off the GST) at 15%. $768 becomes $883.20
That's nearly $900 and we have not factored in shipping fees from the manufacturer to Canada, importation costs, brokerage, etc. and of course store profit and overhead involved with getting these classified non-restricted.
Isn't that $1000 cost starting to look more justified?
This ain't the USA - get over it. And if you can't afford to pay and play, stop whining to us about it and go get a better job.
Yes, because profit is a uniquely canadian thing and wasn't already built in to the US retail price. Shipping, also a canadian thing that americans don't pay for.
Of course their are extra costs involved with the importation and brokerage but it doesn't double the price of the rifle. Do we pay $1000 for a Rem 700 SPS or $600 for a 1022? Of course not. Are glocks $1200? Didn't think so.Why do people keep justifying the prices on the behalf of dealers? Do you think they're going to give you a discount for coming to their aid?
The 180b was $1200 new, not $1000
ETA: Guess what the average bone stock AR was going for back then, IIRC it was in the neighbourhood of $1500-1700. What do we pay today now that the dollar is at par? That's right, $1500-1700
Again, you are not comparing like quantities. FNs were SURPLUS and the AK's were made in China for $.10/hr labour rates.
Armalites were built in the USA by some Iowa farmboy recruited to build them for $30/hr.
Yes, because profit is a uniquely canadian thing and wasn't already built in to the US retail price. Shipping, also a canadian thing that americans don't pay for.
Why do people keep justifying the prices on the behalf of dealers? Do you think they're going to give you a discount for coming to their aid?
The 180b was $1200 new, not $1000
ETA: Guess what the average bone stock AR was going for back then, IIRC it was in the neighbourhood of $1500-1700. What do we pay today now that the dollar is at par? That's right, $1500-1700
I'm not suggesting Canadian retailers aren't making more per unit than US retailers, BUT, I AM suggesting they sell a lot fewer units. If it weren't profitable, nobody would sell us cool black rifles.
And by the way, in the US, a Glock is still a $300-400 gun depending. So we are "getting fleeced" up here as well on those.
There's also the benefit that guns like Glock are improrted by the distributors in comparatively large numbers so the import costs are spread around quite a bit more.
Gunnerlove
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Actually cheaper, Olympic Arms, Rock River Arms and Stag Arms basic AR15 are all priced below $950 MSRP
As an aside, the rifles in the US were $600 before any taxes and shipping and were imported by Wolverine when the C-dollar was only worth about $.072 US.
That means based on exchange, the price would be $768. Now let's take the average sales tax in Canada (this was BEFORE the conservatives knocked 2 pts off the GST) at 15%. $768 becomes $883.20
That's nearly $900 and we have not factored in shipping fees from the manufacturer to Canada, importation costs, brokerage, etc. and of course store profit and overhead involved with getting these classified non-restricted.
Isn't that $1000 cost starting to look more justified?
This ain't the USA - get over it. And if you can't afford to pay and play, stop whining to us about it and go get a better job.
Not to mention that when the AR-180B first came out
, prices in the U.S. itself rapidly rose from $650 to $950.....
Agreed.
Metal reinforced mag well to mitigate the polymer from eroding away around the internal mag release mech.
ah ya cant just give up and move! ya gotta stay to help the cause!
ive been considering that also, but the states just isnt near as awesome as canada is when I weigh the two, I know firearms laws suck, but its still a great country.
ive been considering that also, but the states just isnt near as awesome as canada is when I weigh the two, I know firearms laws suck, but its still a great country.
ah ya cant just give up and move! ya gotta stay to help the cause!
ive been considering that also, but the states just isnt near as awesome as canada is when I weigh the two, I know firearms laws suck, but its still a great country.
depends on the state
