M14 Scope mount photos

Dont like it -

H2O MAN said:
Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5x20mm MR/T M2 with Illuminated SPR & 7.62mm 168gr. dial, LOW Wire
EDM rings (PN: 7008) from SEI on a SAGE Detachable Cantilevered Sight Base (PN: M14DCSB).

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Seems it rests on the stripper clip guide -

The Sage rear stripper clip guide mount locks in to the dovetail and cheaper NO?

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chopper 1 said:
Seems it rests on the stripper clip guide -

The Sage rear stripper clip guide mount locks in to the dovetail and cheaper NO?
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Cheaper? YES.

The M14SCSB Stripper Clip sight Base Rail replaces the tripper clip guide and is held by a single screw.
It was designed to be used with EBR rings from Badger Ordnance.

I have been told by a reputable source that this mount never stayed solid on MK14s built by CRANE... they said it could have
been designed better. SAGE decided they would just design a new and better mount all together so they created the M14DCSB.

The SAGE cantilever mount does utilize a pad that sits in the stripper clip guide.
The rail section has an adjustment screw that pushes off of this pad.

The TACOM M14EBR-RI uses this mount exclusively, they have delivered over 5000 rifles to AFG and the few early complaints were corrected.
The mount is rock solid.

Can civilians get by with the old M14SCSB? Sure, but the US military has moved away from using the M14SCSB.
 
How do I tell whether my arms 18 mount is a old style or new style (cycling problems)? I have not mounted mine or tied it yet.
 
zthou said:
How do I tell whether my arms 18 mount is a old style or new style (cycling problems)?
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Old style usually describes the one open in the middle. It has only 1-2 rail slot in front and 1-2 slot in the rear and is open between.

Nowadays the rail is continuous. It provides more mounting options and scope protection but less room for ejection.
 
homeless said:
Frank from M14.ca sent me this info on his new scope mounting system for the M14 riffle. Looks like a geat product made here in Canada using what seems some smart engineering for the right price.

Havent used this product but looking forward to it. Heres a link to more info.

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/products/m14m1a-casm-scope-mount/?hp=products_title
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Were is the 4 point's?
All that is mentioned is the to rear sight wholes. Also anyone who knows the M14 platform also knows that the recoil on this firearm and the barrel whip that this rifle produces would bounce this mount all over the place. Also lets not forget that the rail is made from aluminum that is doing the bouncing. Plus I love the idea of a front pad. It is perfect for digging a whole in the top of my receiver. Who ever plan's on buying this doomed to fail mount better have a great warranty plan for there optic because I don't see it lasting on there for very long!
 
Satain said:
Were is the 4 point's?
All that is mentioned is the to rear sight wholes. Also anyone who knows the M14 platform also knows that the recoil on this firearm and the barrel whip that this rifle produces would bounce this mount all over the place. Also lets not forget that the rail is made from aluminum that is doing the bouncing. Plus I love the idea of a front pad. It is perfect for digging a whole in the top of my receiver. Who ever plan's on buying this doomed to fail mount better have a great warranty plan for there optic because I don't see it lasting on there for very long!
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Hey Satain, After I read your post I contacted the guys at M14.ca directly. I spoke to Larry, the principal designer of this mount. I went to one of his M14 seminars last year (he usually teaches M14 seminars once a year in Victoria). Larry was also a gun smith for 20 years and has worked on hundreds of M14s, tuning, modifying, etc., and was an officer in the Canadian military so I trust his judgement when it comes to this mount.

He wanted me to ask you how much personal experience you have with this mount? Do you own one? If so, can you post more details about the problems you had?

In keeping with the theme of this thread: here is a friend's M1A with an ARMS #18. The ARMs fit so low that sometimes the M1A receivers aren't quite in spec and you need to dremel out a bit on the ARMS mt. so it fits. Also, the ejectors, ejector springs (particularly) and sometimes extractors on SA M1A commercial bolts suck and won't reliably kick the brass clear of the mount, causing jams. US military ejectors and ejector springs solve this problem though.

You have to often do the same to the Sadlak mounts and I didn't want to pay for any potential smithing or parts to my rifle so I wanted a mount that works and is reliable and good for hunting. The M14.ca mount is friggin' solid and is double-locked with set screws and its all been Loctited now. I don't need the iron sights right now, but I throw them into the buttstock of my rifle just the same.

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mountainspruce said:
Hey Satain, After I read your post I contacted the guys at M14.ca directly. I spoke to Larry, the principal designer of this mount. I went to one of his M14 seminars last year (he usually teaches M14 seminars once a year in Victoria). Larry was also a gun smith for 20 years and has worked on hundreds of M14s, tuning, modifying, etc., and was an officer in the Canadian military so I trust his judgement when it comes to this mount.

He wanted me to ask you how much personal experience you have with this mount? Do you own one? If so, can you post more details about the problems you had?
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The M14.ca mount is friggin' solid and is double-locked with set screws and its all been Loctited now.
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I don't generaly like doing R&D for "gunsmith that have over 20 years of experance" but since we are hear on CGN were we can exchange idea's and vioce opions, openly & freely...
This video should help you understand the 2 violent actions that occur when the M14 is in the cycling process;
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As you will notice that the 2 violent actions of the the rifle firing slam backwards and forwards (In & Out of Battery).
Thus having a rail mounted to the rear sight pocket in this way over such a great span will cause the shooter much grief if it's not properly secure in both directions. Up and down (this is most important to 1's optic's life span as the less vibrations on the reticule & lenes the longer the optic will last) and also side to side (this is important so that you don't torque your scope and throughing your optic's lenses out of synic).
As for my experience with this design...
Yes as a matter of fact me and the M14Doctor some time ago, openly here on gun nutz were toying with the idea long before this mount was even created (I know that M14Doctor still has the proto-type) but it failed because of these fact's.
I am glad you lock tightned all the screw's especially the front leveling/pressure screw. I hope it last for ya and wish you all the luck with this mount.
 
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the casm mount deserves it's place in this thread, after all it is now an option apparently and is after all an m14 scope mount. it's the pics that are clearly advertisements, ..... that do not belong in this thread or anywhere else here.
my opinion for what it's worth, as thier are many of us with the experience to give an opinion.....
all frank needs to do is add a leg down to the receiver scope mount hole and problem solved....... and best of all, people would buy it...... and guys like me in canada that build rifles would be more inclined to recommend to our clients , sources for qulaity well thought out accessories sourced this side of the 49. Who makes it... or is involved in making it is really of no consequence to me.... as long as it works and we can have faith that our customers will not feel they got a bum steer upon having recommended it to them...... make sense?
 
ColassalEntry said:
hmm maybe they will come out with a generation 2 that has such an upgrade.
Did you ever try your hand at making a mount (M14Doctor)?
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designed and prototyped some mount/accessory options , yes...... stand alone m14 scope mounts...... No as I do not see any need to recreate the wheel. There is little difficulty now in sourcing quality m14 mounts that have solid reputations and reasonable value for performance. This is evidenced by the many guys who have sadlak, arms18, basset, and the great many 150.00 or less aluminum mounts. As for the CASM mount, it's a novel idea but hastily brought to market. I'm actually very surprised that with Laz's experience with this platform, there is no side bolt anchor on thier mount. very little "designing is at play here with a simply machined block in the rear sight pocket..... and a rail fitted on top...... easily thrown together with a cnc program and machine. to add the side bolt hole would take one into a whole new realm of figuring things out and using a bigger chunk of material for the rail and leg....... so i do understand why the omitted it..... it would probably cost too much and put them over the 200.00 thresh hold that seems to be the limit folks want to pay for a mount these days.
I'll stick with irons or my ARMS 18 , installed properly with correct length ejector and extractor springs. I have never owned a m14 type rifle that jammed with the arms 18 after final tuning and for the little over 200.00 price tag ...... a no brainer over a unproven mount, even at 140.00

despite my obvious personal issues with Laz, I am offering my straight up evaluation without even needing to have one in my hands or on a rifle. There is much documentation on how tough these rifles can be on optics and preventing scope damage starts with knowing your mount is one thing in the equation that is rock solid. As for the actual guy making this stuff, it appears to be excellent work and well finished, very professional........ but missing the one thing that would make it a winner...... the side bolt mounting feature. Let's see version 2
 
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This thread isn't nearly as good a read as it was 30 mins ago. too bad. I actually thought that all posts should have remained or none of them. The mods have made a mistake in the selective deletions. All or none.
 
I'm going to remove my comments. It was not fair of me to jump to satain's defense over what i felt he would no doubt face some wrath for. My personal experiences with LAZ2000 dictate that i know what he is in for by speaking his own opinion in LAZ land.

so, because this is a scope mount thread and not thomas and Laz's personal boxing ring...... I've removed my comments and want no further involvement both online and off with Lazerus2000 or his incarnation we saw here troll2012.
 
I didn't have a problem with your posts doc although you seem very sceptical of the mount. It is Satain's post that I found a little attack oriented. I dont know any of the parties in question, I just don't think it is appropriate to get into personal attack mode on a forum against someone who is banned. l thought that before the response and more so now the response is deleted. I can not judge the validity of either post and don't really care to. In the end the 2 posts did not belong in this thread and now only one remains. it is too bad the mods did not see the need to remove both maybe Satain will edit or remove his post as you have done. Lets keep this thread for photos. scope mount critique should be performed in a separate thread, and personal and character attacks should be avoided at all costs.
 
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