The hippies are after cougar hunting in BC

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Trophy hunting and habitat loss are putting B.C.'s cougar population at risk and provincial policies do not adequately protect the big cats, says a new report by three scientists from the Raincoast Conservation Foundation.

The study is being released today in anticipation of the province shortly publishing its first cougar management plan, which is under internal review.

For now, the province has no central planning document for cougars and relies on hunting regulations to safeguard populations, the study says.

Cougars are elusive and mysterious, meaning they are difficult to count, so the province has no firm numbers on which to base a hunt, said Chris Darimont, Raincoast science director and one of the report's authors.

"That means even the best management plan in the world for cougar hunting is fundamentally flawed," Darimont said.

"Also, most British Columbians are opposed to hunting animals except for sustenance. ... In other jurisdictions it has been found that even most hunters don't support hunting carnivores for sport," he said.

Natural Resource Operations Ministry spokesman David Currie said the cougar management plan has not yet gone through an internal ministry review and it is not known when it will be released.

So far, there has been no public input on the plan, Currie said.

"The cougar management plan addresses hunting and harvest management and looks at habitat requirements for cougars. It does not address the ethics of trophy hunting," he said.

Provincial figures show an average of 257 cougars are killed each year by hunters and an average of 50 a year are killed because of conflict with humans.

Trends indicate cougar populations are declining and Vancouver Island, where there was previously one of the more dense cougar populations in the province, is now assumed to have dipped from an estimate of 1,200 in 1979 to between 300 and 400 in 2001, according to unpublished provincial figures.

Cougar trophy hunts continue to be held on Vancouver Island. Hunts are usually held with hounds that tree the cougar. Radio collars then send a message to the waiting hunter, who shoots the cougar out of the tree.

"Conservation and management of B.C. cougars ought to consider commonly-held ethical values of British Columbians regarding biodiversity conservation and the welfare of individual cougars," said Corinna Wainwright, one of the authors of the report.

Report author Paul Paquet, Raincoast senior scientist and a mammalian carnivore expert, said research and education should form the basis of conservation plans. Instead, the province manages populations to meet pressure from lobby groups such as the trophy hunting industry and public safety concerns, he said.

"I don't think any species should be hunted if we don't know the numbers," he said.

"At present, provincial laws, regulations and practices for conserving and managing cougars fail to address the ... growing threats to survival that cougars now face," he said.

jlavoie@timescolonist.com



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These are some of the same people that will be up in arms next time some kid gets attacked or killed by a cougar
 
Here's a few cougars!!!

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/###y-cougars-17.jpg?w=500&h=666

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/###y-cougars-15.jpg?w=500&h=666

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/###y-cougars-4.jpg?w=500&h=615

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/###y-cougars-2.jpg?w=500&h=666
 
I dont think any species should be hunted if we dont know their numbers.

Very interesting coment!..

It just takes one animal to be chewing on youre back side to say...Maybe I should have voted to have these animals hunted!...
 
There has been a gradual erosion of the BC cougar hunt, starting with pursuit only during the springtime hunting season (??)

Im just throwing this out there, but with the aging population of the baby boomers, I cannot help but wonder if there are less cougar hunters out there with dog outfits. If this is an accurate statement, that means more and more cougars grow up without being impacted by competant hunters with dogs. The inevitable conclusion is, more cougars living to a ripe old age. Besides for the last twenty years there has been a slow but steady encrouchment of cougars across the prairies, in specific areas with adequate cover and peak deer numbers. I'm thinking myself the hippy game biologist is wrong.

Had a friend who grew up near Tofino. He said the place on Van Isle where the landspeeder scene was shot for the first Star Wars movie is over-run with them. Mentioned a local couple, who sadly lost thier only son to a cougar attack and in mourning, totally abandoned thier home in greif and moved elsewhere. Unusual story for sure, but said to be true.
 
Cougar populations are steady across BC, with the exception of Vancouver Island. In the 70's there was extensive logging going on on the Island with a resultant increase in Blacktail Deer numbers. As the logging slashes have regenerated the landscape can not support the high numbers of deer it once did. I would hazard a guess that more deer presently live within town and city limits on the Island then within all the forested areas.

Simple matter of habitat. The Raincoast Hippie Network or whatever the hell they call themselves is pathetic. They can add the titles "Senior Scientist", "Science Director" or "Mammalian Carnivore Specialist" behind their names all they want, but they are just a bunch of preservationist hippies sucking in the urban ignorant to fund their bunk science.
 
"I don't think any species should be hunted if we don't know the numbers," he said.

"At present, provincial laws, regulations and practices for conserving and managing cougars fail to address the ... growing threats to survival that cougars now face," he said.

So he's getting out in the field and doing the research and counting the numbers to back up his NIMBY claims right? :rolleyes:

These are some of the same people that will be up in arms next time some kid gets attacked or killed by a cougar

Nah, these people then go out and hire the services of a "trained sharp shooter with high powered rifle", AKA; a hunter. :p

This battle is much like any other front gun owners and hunters must face, incremental. First it's coastal Grizzly bear, then Grizzly bear province wide, now coastal cougar, soon cougar province wide. All in an effort to one end game, no hunting what so ever.
 
Had a friend who grew up near Tofino. He said the place on Van Isle where the landspeeder scene was shot for the first Star Wars movie is over-run with them.
Mmmmm...none of the StarWars movies were filmed in or near Tofino or Canada for that matter.The landspeeder scenes were filmed in Death Valley and the Endor speederbike scenes were in the California Redwood forrest.Not that it matters. ;)
 
Gleened from movie locations discovery website:

"The planet Endor scenes were filmed in a redwood forest, part of Redwood National and State Parks, near Crescent City and Smith River, California. Scenes were also filmed in Cathedral Grove near Port Alberni, BC on Vancouver Island."

Not at Tofino, but a car drive from it.
 
http://www.cougarinfo.org/attacks3.htm

I am not sure about posting links...remove it if against the rules..look up on www cougar attacks........there is a good site that has extensive list such as the link posted.....I in no way want to fear monger but the bunny lovers have there head up there ass.
 
All the links I found were unofficial and linked back to wikipedia.The offical sites say it was all shot in the Redwood forrest in cali.Plus I work in the indusrty and would know if part of it was shot here.
 
Wouldn't a drop in Cougar numbers on Vancouver Island be more the result of a declined deer population and competition for food with other predators such as wolves and bears. My father lives in Nanaimo and from what I hear from him it doesnt sound as though the Island is suffering from a decline in cougars or wolves but more of a decline in deer except for in the cities where they have all but taken over some of the neighbourhoods. He says he is going broke from the deer population in town eating his gardens, LOL! He walked out the back door one day to see a cougar lying on his next door neighbors back patio sleeping. Thats the second he has seen in or around his yard. The other came running by full speed hot on the trail of a deer that had passed through at full throttle a moment before. He said he is going to put a scabbard on the lawnmower now! ha:
 
"Also, most British Columbians are opposed to hunting animals except for sustenance"

f:P:
 
The report mentions 50 cougars killed in conflict with humans. This would seem to suggest overpopulation to me. Also they say cougars are "elusive" and "difficult to count." True, which flaws goverment numbers and this report equally. Lastly, we hear the old comment about how cougar hunters simply tree a cat with dogs the sit around and wait for the signal to come shoot one. Anyone who has chased a hound through waist deep East Kootenay snow for eight hours, or much longer, knows how flase that image is. Cougar hunting with dogs may be one of the most physical hunts you can go on.
 
All the links I found were unofficial and linked back to wikipedia.The offical sites say it was all shot in the Redwood forrest in cali.Plus I work in the indusrty and would know if part of it was shot here.

You are correct - here is a detailed / accurate list

http:// www .movie-locations.com/movies/s/starwars.html
 
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