US Export Restrictions for Scopes?

A co-worker of mine called the CBSA(Canadian Boarder Service Agency) last week, and he was told that, Canadians can bring back 5000 rds of ammo, 5000 primers 5000 loading brass, 8kg of powder and rifles(non-restricted) as long as he or her has a valid PAL, for person use. Dealers must get proper papers. So he plans to do that this summer.
http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5044-eng.html#P009
 
well, talked to the very people this week As far as Canada Customs goes, you can import a non restriced firearm and gun parts and up to 5000 rounds of ammo, But this is where it gets all FFd up. The RCMP stated that you need to get an export permit because of the states, to bring anything back. I have called, emailed several US departments trying to get some export papers and got this responce, You cannot purchase and or pocess any firearm, firearm parts and ammunition because you are not a States citizen. But you can get the selling companies to export the items to Canada as long as Canada will allow them, as they already said they would.But here it gets even better. I contacted several big US companies where we could get great prices, but they say they don`t export at all.
 
Here is my two cents on this topic. Some U.S. retailers will export scopes to Canada as long as you have proper paper work. On the other hand other Countries like the UK, New Zealand and some other EU countries will ship to Canada with out any paper work legally. Just remember to do your homework, know your prices and warranty limitations. After everything is said and done, it might be cheaper to buy here at home.
 
There is a lot of FAIL in this thread.

Don't confuse Canadian IMPORT with USA EXPORT. They are two completely different things.

Canada doesn't care, but the US certainly does. It isn't US Customs, or the ATF, it is the US State Department.

See this thread.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=561920

and my post

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5300607&postcount=25

Oh, and if you are caught by a random US EXIT check, run by Homeland Security with participation by CBP, ATF, DEA and others, don't ever expect to set foot in the US again.
 
Too much bogus info. so i tried to go to the source.
this is all i could find out from the interwebs.

http://www.export.gov/regulation/eg_main_018216.asp

Defense Trade Export Controls and Licenses
Registration
By law, all U.S. manufacturers, exporters, and brokers of commodities covered by the U.S. Munitions List must register with the Department of State.
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Here is the United States Munitions List
see the chunk on the bottom left of page 469 for info pertinent to scopes and mounts - maybe someone can figure out how to copy and paste it.

http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/ITAR_Part_121.pdf

interestingly, subsection (f) rifle scopes and subsection (h) accessories and attachments lack the astirisk that indicates "significant military equipment"

it seems they are in the process of reviewing the list to make it slightly less retarded.

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/FR/2010/75FR76935.pdf

it seems like it encompasses scope mounts and hardware, but excludes non-"manufactured to military specifications" scopes. kinda weird.
 
it seems like it encompasses scope mounts and hardware, but excludes non-"manufactured to military specifications" scopes. kinda weird.[/QUOTE]

If you go by those docs only scopes built to military specs would not be allowed to be shipped but I know 1st hand that is not the case. That being said I also know you can still get scope rings and mounts legally from the US or could just before xmas 2010.
Read this from Brownells. I am thinking now the rings fall under the 100.00 limit thus are fine to ship.Maybe that is how they are doing it I don't know
If I did something wrong by posting this link from their site let me know and I will remove it. I am not promoting their company or products just showing their international shipping rules so many between us we can figure out what is right. Knowing Brownells they are not going to break any export laws at this stage.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/general/international_sales.aspx
 
3macs1 said:
Read this from Brownells. I am thinking now the rings fall under the 100.00 limit thus are fine to ship.Maybe that is how they are doing it I don't know
If I did something wrong by posting this link from their site let me know and I will remove it. I am not promoting their company or products just showing their international shipping rules so many between us we can figure out what is right. Knowing Brownells they are not going to break any export laws at this stage.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/general/international_sales.aspx
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Note that the under $100 exemption is NOT an exemption for an exporters Export Licence. It is only an exemption for a specific/individual permit for THAT SHIPMENT.

Brownell's STILL has to inform the State Department of that shipment if it is under $100


Pete Brownell is a member of CGN and the above info was from one of his posts.
 
Some of these commodities are controlled by State, others by Commerce.
Essentially no firearms parts, sighting systems, whatever, are not controlled one way or another.
And a Canadian cannot get a US export licence/permit. These are available only to US businesses.
Anyone wanting to do crossborder shopping, or deal with a US seller who is either ignorant of US law, or who is prepared to ignore US law does so at his own risk.
 
SandRoad said:
Note that the under $100 exemption is NOT an exemption for an exporters Export Licence. It is only an exemption for a specific/individual permit for THAT SHIPMENT.

Brownell's STILL has to inform the State Department of that shipment if it is under $100


Pete Brownell is a member of CGN and the above info was from one of his posts.
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That is fine but they can also legally ship scope rings if under 100 can they not.
 
3macs1 said:
That is fine but they can also legally ship scope rings if under 100 can they not.
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Yeah. I don't know where all this "you cant buy scope rings and bases from the US" is coming from given there's a lot of members here including me who have. The 100 dollar limit is a Brownell's policy, other stores don't have that provided they ship to Canada.
 
TERMINATOR101CA said:
Yeah. I don't know where all this "you cant buy scope rings and bases from the US" is coming from given there's a lot of members here including me who have. The 100 dollar limit is a Brownell's policy, other stores don't have that provided they ship to Canada.
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x2. I also just got 410 choke tubes direct from Briley. I think they use a 200.00 limit for Canada. Cannot see them sending them here if it was not legal?? Try to buy 410 choke tubes in Canada NOT
 
TERMINATOR101CA said:
Yeah. I don't know where all this "you cant buy scope rings and bases from the US" is coming from given there's a lot of members here including me who have. The 100 dollar limit is a Brownell's policy, other stores don't have that provided they ship to Canada.
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It isn't a "Brownells" policy, it is a US Department of State policy. Brownells and everyone else that ships gun parts get audited by the US DoS. The audits even look at the county the credit cards are issued. If it is a foreign CC but shipped to a US address, then the DoS assumes the parts will find their way out of the country. And they WILL slap that company with a fine.

If a company is exporting without a licence, well, it's just a matter of time...... Why do you think more and more companies have stopped exporting controlled parts from the US?

If you read my previous post, the $100 limit doesn't exempt the exporter from having the annual export licence issued by the DoS and they still have to report that sub $100 export.


3macs1 said:
That could be just Briley also that uses that $200 I am not sure. All I know is I call and get what I need 10-14 days later it shows. Pay the customs bill and go shooting:)
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As for SHOTGUNS and parts, they are not regulated by the State Department but by the US Department of Commerce. Their export rules are slightly different.


Makes your head spin, eh?
 
SandRoad said:
It isn't a "Brownells" policy, it is a US
If you read my previous post, the $100 limit doesn't exempt the exporter from having the annual export licence issued by the DoS and they still have to report that sub $100 export.




Ok shotguns ,etc are different. But I still am not clear on scope rings and bases. I am a US company say with an annual export licence and I report every 100.00 sale to Canada.
Can I not ship scope rings under 100.00 to canada legally.:confused:
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3macs1 said:
I am a US company say with an annual export licence and I report every 100.00 sale to Canada.

Can I not ship scope rings under 100.00 to canada legally.:confused:
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Yes, that company can legally ship scope rings to Canada, with the following conditions;
  1. Wholesale cost of the order is under $100
  2. It is a "non critical" component (not a scope gun, frame, barrel, etc, but the list constantly changes)
  3. Exporting company must report the export to the State Department. (They don't need to apply for a permit for that shipment)
  4. Manufacturer of the rings must also have the annual export licence

:D
 
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SandRoad said:
Yes, that company can legally ship scope rings to Canada, with the following conditions;
  1. Wholesale cost of the order is under $100
  2. Exporting company must report the export to the State Department. (They don't need to apply for a permit for that shipment)
  3. Manufacturer of the rings must also have the annual export licence

:D
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Thank you for the clarification and taking the time to outline the details for us. It is not clear when you talk to US suppliers that is for sure. The OP's question is now answered. take care
 
I've ordered Talleys direct from the States without a problem.Value is less than $100US,but I suspect they have an export permit in place as well. Mur
 
As the OP, thanks everyone for chiming in. It is a lot clearer.

I'm not altogether surprised that some US companies choose not to export or even sell anything to someone with a Canadian credit card, given how confusing the law/protocol is.

I have dealt with Brownells for an under $100 order a while back and they seemed helpful. I think I might try them again for the under $100 scope rings and see what they say.

Thanks again.
 
You got lucky,and so did the seller.If the scopes had been checked by US Customs your scopes would have been seized,and they would want a chat with the seller.The dollar value does not apply to scopes,they are restricted to permitted export only.If Cabela's,Cameraland and others won't ship scopes to Canada because of the legal situation,you can figure that Ebay sellers or individuals aren't covered by an export permit.As long as the package isn't checked you're OK,if it is theres a problem! Mur
 
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