Walther P1 vs Tokarev TT33

scianna54 said:
While it's cheap, the green lacquered one has feeding issues and the charge is too hot for civilian use.
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Gotta call BS on that. There is NO evidence that any military anywhere loaded different charges for SMG use or any other internet myth. The Czech surplus is made to the same spec as Soviet 7.62x25TT and the chronograph results all over the internet prove that.

It IS a snappy round and always was. A bit surprising it's not more favored in a PDW.
 
I love my P1. Accurate, reliable with the right ammunition, and accurate. I also like how it is comfortable and has a natural point of aim.

Don't try to hotrod it, because it will damage the frame, and it prefers round-nose projectiles.
 
Have shot both and must admit when it comes to a pistol I can't shoot worth S*&T so lets get that out.

Personally I prefer the TT33 and am somewhat better with it over the P1 and I know my son feels the same.

We just can't get the P1 to shoot a good group and possibly will have to do alot of testing with different reloads.

Ammo for the TT is pretty cheap right now and yes I think someday it will be much harder to find and more expensive.

I agree with the people that say "buy both", very inexpensive and fun to shoot....IF ONLY I could get the P1 ....well you know the rest.
 
y2k said:
How are the P1 `s for accuracy and reliability?
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For reliability i had zero stoppages of any kind through thousands of rounds. Only fired maybe 3 boxes(150RDs) of commercial 115FMJ, all the rest was CDN 9mm NATO. The P-38 was a very natural pointing pistol for me, probaly the best i'd ever owned.


For accuracy, well I have our Club trophy for overall highest score in 9mm combat matches for 1985, firing a you got it, a P38!

Lots of guys would edge me out on the 7 and 15 meter lines , but once we moved back to 20, 25 and espicially 50 meter prone , no stock 4 inch barrel combat gun firing 9mm Nato, could touch it ,hence the overall total score.

As i stated in other post here , watch out for problem with the drop hammer safety firing the pistol accidentially.:redface:

My son wants to get one of those from Trade Ex for his first 9mm, because his old man had good results with his, and they are a reasonablr price.:D

As well being a WW2 buff, on the Nostalgia part, theres something rugged about an Armed to the teeth ,German Infantry officer, weilding his P-38, shouting orders for a rapid and fierce counter attack ,or a Tank Commander,upright in the turret of his Panther or Tiger, in black overalls, headset and throat communicator in place, with the P-38 holster.

As someone else stated in another forum, I'm sure those guns will draw more money in the future, kinda like the Breda Garands and the like. I'm only referring to collectability and not actual dollar values.:canadaFlag:
 
Something else to consider is the small grip of the tokarev. I find that a high two handed grip on the Tokarev results in hammer bite, and I have small ahnds to begin with. A one handed grip feels better to me. Also, the tokarev can sometimes be a real ##### to get out of the issued holster, this might not be a problem who isn't shooting it at IPSC style vintage handgun matches.

The good:
-The magazines are readily available and cheap.
-The ammo is available and cheap, and brass/dies/bullets are available for the future.
-The sights are simple and easy to see.
-It's got a great big bloody star on the grip panels :)
-Parts probably won't be a problem in the future.
-They're as tough as old nails, probably built out of them too.

The bad:
- I found the trigger to be not so good, bad enough where accuracy was effected.
- The small slide combined with some rough machining on some of the parts meant you had to really giv'er when racking the slide. Cocking the hammer first helped a lot with this.
-the grip angle is a little strange feeling and the grip is really small making hammer bite a real possibility if using a high grip. It's also difficult to get out of the issued holster.
- no safety.

The bad parts really aren't that bad depending on what you're doing with the handgun. The trigger and the slide can be cleaned up, there's a post on it somewhere here on gunnutz. The grip size and angle are really only a problem if you have big hands or are using it in an action shooting sport. Same thing with the safety and the issue holster, not really a problem if using it on the range.
 
Claven2 said:
Gotta call BS on that. There is NO evidence that any military anywhere loaded different charges for SMG use or any other internet myth. The Czech surplus is made to the same spec as Soviet 7.62x25TT and the chronograph results all over the internet prove that.

It IS a snappy round and always was. A bit surprising it's not more favored in a PDW.
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I tend to agree.

I have shot original German WW2 9mm ammo through P08's and P38s and not have any problems...

Though, now, I NEVER use it. Not only because it is collectible, but I would rather not blow a breech block just to shoot old ammo.

The stuff I used came in boxes like this:

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So I guess it doesn't have the +P on it.... perhaps this is the correct ammo for the old pistols?

However, one should use low powered 9mm as much as possible that you can find that will reliably cycle your P38 and P08! Had another P08 that blew 2 breech blocks with 147gr. Winchester 9mm.... :(
 
tjhaile said:
http://www.shop.tradeexcanada.com/content/walther-p1-pistol-9mm-whex-pin

The hex pin is between the slide release and the takedown lever on the front part of the frame. The reinforced slide can be identified by serrations that extend in front of the decocker/safety lever.
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That's weird, mine has no hex pin but apparently has the reinforced slide.

When you say "reinforced slide" does that mean reinforced over the P38's slide or reinforced over an already thicker P1 slide?
 
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