What percentage have handled an AK?
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I see you can get US made machined receivers for the AK 47 now. At least in the states.It would be fun to build a custom AK-47 (NOT AKM) from one of those receivers.
Yeah if I lived in the states I would be all over building my own AK. Here all we can do is dream, or I guess cough up the money for a Valmet.
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AK's are fun.
kickassnikov47
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okay if you feel that ak anything wont do anybetter than this for accuracy, and if you want to put your money where your mouth is, i have one ak that i can shoot just as good as any ar-15, and thats using the irons sights i have on it! not all ak's are minute of barn at 300 meters! i find that often times its not the rifles fault, the malfunction is usualy that faulty operational piece thats behind the but plate!!!! (i.e. operator error)
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I've shot MOA AR's, but never an MOA AK... I'd be surprised by this given the AR has an essentially free floated barrel, where with the AK the heavy gas system makes for some 'interesting' barrel harmonics. Which gun? Even the SVD won't keep up with a run of the mill AR for consistency. You have a freak of nature there if it truly does match the AR. As a general rule, AK's, even the best with the Valmets of which I've tried with two different models of mine, won't generally do better than 3" at 100 yards, 4" more typically. I like the AK, but she's no tackdriver. The AR is, not that I prefer it overall, just a straight fact.
kickassnikov47
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ar and free flaoted barrel is just a myth!!!! it still uses a gas tube wich by the way is still conected to the barrel, ala gas block!!!! unless you can mod the ar to be a straight blowback, or delayed blowback, using roller locks like the hk-g3 series guns, it will still not be a true free float! bolt actions, and such can be made a true free float, but not even ar's!!!! also never said the ak was a tack driver, but if you cant hit a baseball at 100 yards with it, you either need glasses, or need to work on your trigger squeeze, or both!!!! if you fallow proper shooting techniqes, than you shouldnt have an issue! unless the rifle has an obvious issue such as canted sights, barrel not aligned properly in the trunnion, barrel bent, or bore completely shot out, you should be able to do with it damned near as much as you should with an ar!!!! not saying that you can engage targets out to 600 with it, but you should be bale to hit minute of bad guys torso with it at 400 and maybee 500!!! and with good ammo, the ak can be a suprisingly accurate rifle to shoot! as for such accuracy issues commonplace in war zones, if them insurgents even had the fundamentals of shooting down, we would have a hell of alot more cassualties than we do now!!! accuraacy by volume equates to waste of ammo, and next to nothing body count, wher as properly aimed, well trained trigger squeeze will drop bad guys anyday of the week!
Many Valmets/Galils are capable of 1 MOA with properly mounted optics, match grade ammo and shooting from a proper rest (vice). If yours arent, then you're probably missing one (or more) of those conditions.
Is a high quality AR more accurate? Sure... Does it matter? Not really, as even a cheap AK is accurate enough to consistently hit targets within the typical assault rifle range.
kickassnikov47
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it depends on what you are using as a defining factor on what makes it a better rifle? yeah its got a machined reciever, but so does alot of type 1/2/3 ak's, yes it has a botl hold open feature! but to me this is not realy an issue! yes it is a very reliable rifle as far as overall design makes is very dependable(ak has that feature too)
ak's are much easier to manufacture, and i believe that the mag catch on the ak is of supperior design than that on the vz58! i am also a bit skeptical of the vz's magazine, being that it is madeof what alluminum???? where as the bulk majority of ak mags are steel, and if it gets a dent you can more than likely just pop that dent out, and it will be fine, where as alluminum mags for the most part are very finnikey when they get the slightest damage!
yes i think the vz is a great weapon! i like variety in comblock arms! the reason the vz even exsists, is because the czechs wanted to use their own domestic design, due to their pride in their own nation!!!! they also didnt fallow all of the standard russkie designs even with their sks, because of a the gas shut off valve, b the grenade launcher sights, and c the grenade launchers spigot was designed to fire 22mm spec nato type rifle grenades!!!
kickassnikov47
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thank you!!!!!
kickassnikov47
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yes i think i will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and heres a couple more for ya incase you missed them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what are trying to say that just because someone likes exclamation points, that their original posts intents are somehow faulty???????
yeah and how about alot of question marks???????
??????? ???????? are you going to troll about those too???????????????????????????????????????
kickassnikov47
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okay i will slow it down for you, since you seem to not be able to grasp the concept!
some countries designed their own, and out of natinal pride, decided to field their own irregardless of what komrade commie ruskie was trying to force them to use!!!!
yes the sks was a ruskie design, but the yugoslavians did think that design was all that and a bag of chips, and added wht they felt was improvements upon it!!!! otherwise they would have issued it as per russkie patern!!!!
is that simple enough for you? ooooh wait i forgot to add a half dozen question marks??????
kickassnikov47
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wow so do to fast typing an error( yes i am admitting an error as they did not produce to my knowledge an sks)
my original post intent is somehow invalid??????
the intent was about how the vz58 was somehow superior to the ak based upon someones opinion, and all i said was it depends on how you define superior, and by what means you are gauging the superiority of said firearm over another!!!!
so yes the czechs did not to my knowledge field an sks ya got your cookie now are you happy???????
and then all of a suddden it was about ohhhh this guy likes to put lots of exclamation points in his posts, so you decided to troll on that one because what???
i can think of a forum you would be realy happy on if you want to do that, go join ar15.com!!!!! im sure your grammar, and punctuation remarks will fit in there just nicely!!!!
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Problem with people saying "x rifle is better than AK" is that they compare newly manufactured, well maintained guns shooting quality ammo to 50 year old, low quality, rusted, never cleaned AK's shooting cheapest #### ammo.
A high quality AK (such as Sako RK.95) will outperform your favourite rifle platform in most categories. Fact.
A high quality AK (such as Sako RK.95) will outperform your favourite rifle platform in most categories. Fact.
kickassnikov47
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exactly!!!!! and if you fallow the fundamentals of trigger squeeze, etc.... i find no reason you would ever have an issue!!!
also opinions are like #######s everyones got one!!!!!
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