What percentage have handled an AK?

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AK's are cool

YES, WAYYYYY KOOL!!!
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Binder Dundat...

Prior to C68, I owned an 84S. I really liked it. My favorite variant by far is the Galil ARM from Israel. I put at least 1000 rounds through those. Never jammed of FTF...ever...
 
I said the AR is essentially free floated, which it is seeing as the gas tube is an ultralight, flexible link unlike gas piston system. An AK can usually hit a baseball at 100 yards, that's 3". That's perfectly in keeping with what I've said, the best AK's I've shot, my Valmets, group 3-4", that means the vast majority of rounds will drop in a baseball. My Colt HBAR could put the majority of rounds into a quarter. In combat, does it matter? Debatable. Just laying the facts out, I actually like a good AK roughly as much as an AR, so no bias here. The AR's just plain more accurate due to design and construction. My greatest gripe with the AK remains its accuracy, as I'm a sportsman and target shooter.

While living elsewhere I had a machined receiver Yugo, not by choice it was just what was available. Overall just a pretty loose rifle, and it wasn't heavily used. Reliable, sure, but again no tack driver. Works for 90% of what's asked of it, but making a 1" group in a match, it does not. Doesn't sound like this matters to you, and that's all good you can use your AK's for different purposes where you are. Here for us, the last unrestricted AK's we can hunt with and shoot in the woods are the Valmet M78 (which in the AK world is considered to be among the most accurate of AK's) and Hunter, also highly regarded for AK accuracy. With mine, I bought them for hunting, and especially the .223 I was hoping for good accuracy seeing as its quarry are gophers and coyotes. In the end they proved equal to the Mini-14, exactly, so ho-hum, works but leaves some to be desired. The Swiss Arms PE90 leaves them in the dust. So there's my reasoning, and for variables, it's not the shooter, I tied for win in an iron sight match in the fall, and even prefer commie sights such as the AK's inside 150 yards to aperture.

Don't think it gets more easy to put than the AK is a durable, heavy, reliable short-medium range gun that leaves some to be desired in accuracy. Ergos are a bit off too, but its redeeming qualities will see it in use a further century.

ar and free flaoted barrel is just a myth!!!! it still uses a gas tube wich by the way is still conected to the barrel, ala gas block!!!! unless you can mod the ar to be a straight blowback, or delayed blowback, using roller locks like the hk-g3 series guns, it will still not be a true free float! bolt actions, and such can be made a true free float, but not even ar's!!!! also never said the ak was a tack driver, but if you cant hit a baseball at 100 yards with it, you either need glasses, or need to work on your trigger squeeze, or both!!!! if you fallow proper shooting techniqes, than you shouldnt have an issue! unless the rifle has an obvious issue such as canted sights, barrel not aligned properly in the trunnion, barrel bent, or bore completely shot out, you should be able to do with it damned near as much as you should with an ar!!!! not saying that you can engage targets out to 600 with it, but you should be bale to hit minute of bad guys torso with it at 400 and maybee 500!!! and with good ammo, the ak can be a suprisingly accurate rifle to shoot! as for such accuracy issues commonplace in war zones, if them insurgents even had the fundamentals of shooting down, we would have a hell of alot more cassualties than we do now!!! accuraacy by volume equates to waste of ammo, and next to nothing body count, wher as properly aimed, well trained trigger squeeze will drop bad guys anyday of the week!
 
One of my security guys had his choice of weapons in Iraq and he chose the AK model with the folding stock. I asked him why and it was mainly because it always went bang when he pulled the trigger.
 
Have handled the following (all built during the sixties or seventies):

1- Made in Russia (USSR) AKM with wood stock: The best of the bunch in wormanship, fit & finish
2- Made in East Germany AKM with plastic stock: Not bad, almost as good as the Russian one
3- Made in Bulgaria AK-47 with wood stock: Looked like mismatched junk, but worked well
4- Made in China AK-47 with collapsible metal stock: Worst of the bunch

All of the above were of cal 7.62x39.
Have not handled any AK-74 (5.45x39).
 
Used to serve in Soviet Army. Handled AKM (7.62mm) and AKS-74 (5.45mm) with metal folding buttstock. We newer shot "sport targets" -just standart army "silhouette" targets (100, 200, 350 meters) so I can't say anything about MOAs :) but all our AK were flawless in -40C +snow and we could hit all targets even with gas mask on :) What else do soldiers need?
 
Have handled a chinese AK, 2 Galils, and mulitiple Valmets(78, 82, Hunter). Also have a CZ and SKS. My choices would def be the CZ or the Valmets. Much nicer, better ergos, etc.
 
I've shot a bunch at various places in the U.S., ranging from "meh" WASRs to cu$tom $hop AK-74s/100s.

I think they're truly excellent for their intended purpose {which is not Camp Perry type shooting} and embodies the spirit of the assault rifle better than the AR FOW.

As compared to the VZ58, I think the '58 is nicer than most AKs and variants but I'd still rather have a higher end, more modern style of AK over the '58.
 
I said the AR is essentially free floated, which it is seeing as the gas tube is an ultralight, flexible link unlike gas piston system. An AK can usually hit a baseball at 100 yards, that's 3". That's perfectly in keeping with what I've said, the best AK's I've shot, my Valmets, group 3-4", that means the vast majority of rounds will drop in a baseball. My Colt HBAR could put the majority of rounds into a quarter. In combat, does it matter? Debatable. Just laying the facts out, I actually like a good AK roughly as much as an AR, so no bias here. The AR's just plain more accurate due to design and construction. My greatest gripe with the AK remains its accuracy, as I'm a sportsman and target shooter.

While living elsewhere I had a machined receiver Yugo, not by choice it was just what was available. Overall just a pretty loose rifle, and it wasn't heavily used. Reliable, sure, but again no tack driver. Works for 90% of what's asked of it, but making a 1" group in a match, it does not. Doesn't sound like this matters to you, and that's all good you can use your AK's for different purposes where you are. Here for us, the last unrestricted AK's we can hunt with and shoot in the woods are the Valmet M78 (which in the AK world is considered to be among the most accurate of AK's) and Hunter, also highly regarded for AK accuracy. With mine, I bought them for hunting, and especially the .223 I was hoping for good accuracy seeing as its quarry are gophers and coyotes. In the end they proved equal to the Mini-14, exactly, so ho-hum, works but leaves some to be desired. The Swiss Arms PE90 leaves them in the dust. So there's my reasoning, and for variables, it's not the shooter, I tied for win in an iron sight match in the fall, and even prefer commie sights such as the AK's inside 150 yards to aperture.

Don't think it gets more easy to put than the AK is a durable, heavy, reliable short-medium range gun that leaves some to be desired in accuracy. Ergos are a bit off too, but its redeeming qualities will see it in use a further century.

Good post. Cant really disagree with anything, except your accuracy figures for the Valmets. Most Valmets WILL shoot close to 1 MOA with good optics, rest and ammo. I have never tried shooting mine with all 3 of those, but i know others who have.
If you satisfied those 3 conditions and your Valmet still wont group better than 3", it is due to one of the following:
- Barrel in poor condition.. Damage on the crown.
- Improper trigger release. Some people have to get used to the trigger (similar to a lot of new shooters shooting Glocks)
- Bad ammo for the gun. Some guns just dont like certain ammo brands, even if it's quality stuff.


If raw accuracy is the only thing you need from a gun, AK is obviously not for you. But neither is the AR. AK's are not paper punchers, never were. They're accurate enough to do what they were designed for - consistently hitting man-sized targets at intermediate ranges.
Saying that AR is better assault rifle because its more accurate is the same as saying that my grocery getter (car) is better than yours because it can do 280km/h when yours can only do 240.
Here's a video to illustrate my point: (i know it's about handguns, but the exact same principles apply to assault rifles)
[youtube]UVzSAm5VhfE[/youtube]

Poor ergos on AK is also a moot point. An extended mag release (comes stock on many newer variants) is essentially a button that can be pressed with the index finger (without changing the grip) to drop the mag free... Same as AR.
Many people dont like the standard safety. There are variants with AR-style thumb-operated safety if thats your thing, but (like AR), its more difficult to operate in heavy gloves, which is the reason why most variants have the lever safety.

Slower mag changes are the result of poor training and technique, not rifle design. Here's a video to illustrate this point:
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Newer AK's have just as many options for adding optics and tacticool crap.

What AR DOESNT have is the ability to fold the stock. With the same barrel length, AK is more compact with the stock folded than AR with it's stock collapsed.

The extra weight of AK is not always a bad thing either - it helps control the recoil in F/A when firing the more powerful 7.62 round. The rifle also makes for a better beating stick if you happen to run out of ammo :)
 
I've shot MOA AR's, but never an MOA AK... I'd be surprised by this given the AR has an essentially free floated barrel, where with the AK the heavy gas system makes for some 'interesting' barrel harmonics. .

all of my Saiga's were arond the 1.5moa with me behind the trigger.. thats barnaul/highland ammo + an average shooter. modern manufactured AK's are plenty accurate.

as for barrell harmonics .. any rifle with a restricted barrel (not free floating) isnt going to have anything to write home about in the way of harmonics, so no point in mentioning that

and as for the AK's "heavy" gas system ? the tube doesnt move around much ( at all ) when its locked in place and the piston is attached to the bolt carrier..
so theres no free weight to rattle around and cause drama, sitting over the barrel, unlike the SKS piston.
 
I'm kinda of glad I dumped my AKs when I did (before C68).
They are a mediocre rifle that perform fantastically in short range Assault.

I'm glad the Taliban are armed with them and not real rifles capable of accurate fire. I'd hazard a guess that the majority of the ones they field are so worn out they couldn't hit the broadside of a LAV at 200m...
mho
 
Just tuned in, but......

Is anyone else having graphic Ass****web flashbacks.... Probably just the nightshift playing games with my head...

Those who were there, know what I'm talkin' about....LOL

AK's rule. 858's are awesome too. Anyone who thinks and SKS can be either one, is delusional.
 
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