Pick one!!

blacktailslayer said:
Does the .284 feed well from a LA? I have a blueprinted LA, standard bolt face already , might be the ticket. And the Lapua brass is a huge plus!!!++++
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That would be my choice.
Long pointy bullets would feed and extract without removing the bolt. This is the cartridge I'll be tooling up in future with the same action as yours. Short actions only allow the empty cases to eject, loaded rounds won't.

I like the 7 SAUM too, but you'll need another bolt and may have feeding problems. Guntech will know.
 
High 28's to low 29's with the 180 berger (Depending on load), 29+ with the 167 berger. I can run the 167 into the low 3's but I'm not that hell bent on seeing how far I can go. These velocities more than suite my needs. I could likely push them a bit more but with a 24" barrel, running RL17 this is getting on the high side of things.

Some of the F Classers could likely give you a wider variety of loads, and Cyanide's slightly improved case would get a hair more punch, but at a cost (dies, etc).

If your hunting than the standard 284 is more than enough.

A 7RM, 7WSM or 7STW would achieve this easily but by way of more powder = more recoil, etc. The STW is a barrel cooker, 7WSM close behind, and 7RM being the old standard.
 
It should be noted that the .284 and the .280 have (for all intents and purposes) the same powder capacity/performance.
Lapua brass would be available for both too.
 
For true long range hunter I am currently looking at a build with the standard 7mag.

The one thing that you must remember when choosing a hunter is the down range velocity. Not energy, velocity. The velocity MUST be high enough to make the bullet you have chosen open up on the lightest built part of the animal (the lungs). You are looking at around 2000fps recommended impact velocity for many hunting bullets. Some can open at lower velocities, others higher. Best to test them out at min velocity shot into something soft like very loosely stacked wet newspaper to ensure they will open up and cause enough damage.


Just because it is possible to make a hit at long range does not mean the bullet will preform as a hunting bullet should. A clean 28 cal hole from an unexpanded bullet is not sufficient for a proper kill. This is very important to consider.
 
noneck180 said:
They make 30-06 brass..so everyone on the internet says Lapua brass is available..actually makes me laugh.
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I agree 30-06 lapua brass is certainly not ideal. They moved the shoulder forward on the .280 so it wouldn't chamber in a .270. I would have no trouble using Lapua in a .270, and do use it in my Whelen, but don't think I would in a .280.
 
Republic of Alberta said:
A clean 28 cal hole from an unexpanded bullet is not sufficient for a proper kill. This is very important to consider.
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Untrue!

If your assertion was true, explain how Walter D.M. (Karamojo) Bell accounted for something over 1000 elephants shooting 7mm FMJ bullets.


blacktailslayer said:
I agree 30-06 lapua brass is certainly not ideal. They moved the shoulder forward on the .280 so it wouldn't chamber in a .270. I would have no trouble using Lapua in a .270, and do use it in my Whelen, but don't think I would in a .280.
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Necking the .30 cal brass to 7mm gives you enough of a shoulder to fire-form the case.
 
Splatter said:
Untrue!

If your assertion was true, explain how Walter D.M. (Karamojo) Bell accounted for something over 1000 elephants shooting 7mm FMJ bullets.


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Because he shot them in the head. The bullets he used at the time were heavy, strong, round nose. Perfect for straight line penetration through an elephant's skull and into the brain. Any sized bullet hole into a brain will result in instant death.


I read his book, you should too.
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Republic of Alberta said:
Any sized bullet hole into a brain will result in instant death.
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Then I guess US Congress-Person Gabby Giffords must be dead then?

Jeeze- dude, your vast generalizations are full of Fail!


The fact is that it's the hole that kills, it must disrupt a vital part of the circulatory system or the CNS to result in death during the time-frame that we are interested in. (puncturing the large intestine will result in death for most game animals; but it will result from septicemia, and may take more than a week). Having the hole expand from 7 mm to 14 mm will result on a larger wound, I'm all for added insurance; but let's look at it realisically, if you miss a structure that will result in a rapid fatality by 3.5 mm, and having the bullet expand by that much will result in a hit, you are running on the very thinnest of probabilies.


Here, I fixed your reply to me, you can thank me later.
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Republic of Alberta said:
Splatter said:
Untrue!

If your assertion was true, explain how Walter D.M. (Karamojo) Bell accounted for something over 1000 elephants shooting 7mm FMJ bullets.
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I'm wrong; but, he was a great shot..blah-blah-blah, good bullets...blah-blah..brainshots, blah-blah... I read his book, and you're stupid and fat!
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Splatter said:
Then I guess US Congress-Person Gabby Giffords must be dead then?

Jeeze- dude, your vast generalizations are full of Fail!


The fact is that it's the hole that kills, it must disrupt a vital part of the circulatory system or the CNS to result in death during the time-frame that we are interested in. (puncturing the large intestine will result in death for most game animals; but it will result from septicemia, and may take more than a week). Having the hole expand from 7 mm to 14 mm will result on a larger wound, I'm all for added insurance; but let's look at it realisically, if you miss a structure that will result in a rapid fatality by 3.5 mm, and having the bullet expand by that much will result in a hit, you are running on the very thinnest of probabilies.


Here, I fixed your reply to me, you can thank me later.
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If you want to learn how bullets kill hang out on the hunting forum or a few years then get back to us.

In fact, go post your "thesis" on low velocity non-expanded pointed bullets over there and see what kind of responses you get. You WILL learn something from it.

You are so misinformed and mouthy it is not worth my time to correct you. Your going to have to figure things out yourself. If I were you I would get started right away as not to embarrass your self further.
 
I have a 7mm rem mag...And I just got a new 7mm-08. They are both great choices...the 7mm-08 offers less recoil and longer barrel life.
For reloading the 7mm-08 has cheaper brass , and takes less powder then the 7mm mag
 
Republic of Alberta said:
If you want to learn how bullets kill hang out on the hunting forum or a few years then get back to us.
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Srsly? It'll take that long to explain it?

Republic of Alberta said:
In fact, go post your "thesis" on low velocity non-expanded pointed bullets over there and see what kind of responses you get. You WILL learn something from it.

You are so misinformed and mouthy it is not worth my time to correct you. Your going to have to figure things out yourself. If I were you I would get started right away as not to embarrass your self further.
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OK, I'm started, feel free to chime-in on the thread, if you have some actual information to add, rather than the empty name-calling you've done over here.
 
I like the 7mm Rem Mag. It is a great all around cartridge. I've shot everything from really expensive gophers to magpies to deer and moose to the odd bear or cougar. Use the right bullet and it will make anything dead. Good luck on the decision.
 
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