BAL Lever Problem - Help needed

Leibermuster said:
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Bingo

Sorry guys but really, these Norc's cause way too much problems in the first place, it's funny because you guys are spending all this extra money & Time upgrading it you should have just bought a quality AR in the first place.

Someone should start a list of what actually works well in a Norc when upgrading it, or the problems that arise with the certain upgrade parts....Just to help the Norc lovers out.
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easy said:
That would be great, but there are just too many variables to pinpoint with any certainty of what will work and what will not. The problem is the Chinese made gun, not the in spec parts. Solution: remove the problem.

American made components were never meant for, or tested to function with Chinese firearms. Some may work, most never will.

Trying to figure out how to make mil-spec parts work in barn-spec guns is a lot like expecting a strike from a hairy bowling ball.

Sell the BAD lever and stick with the parts that came with the Chinese gun. As soon as you start tweaking other parts to compensate, you end up with different problems. It's just the way it is.

You bough a cheap gun. Accept it for what it is and have fun shooting it. Don't expect a thoroughbred by using mule parts.
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Okay, now you are all just making me feel bad V:I:
I know, I know, I got the Norc to get into the game for cheap and I don't want to spend as much or more on add on part to fix problems, but.....there have been the same problems with BAD levers on NA made guns. Plus I am not the first to run into this I figure, so hopefully I can find a solution that works and is relatively inexpensive. Getting rid of the Norc or the BAD are solutions, but not preferred.
 
You know how it goes? ... You buy a gun being in a hurry to get "into the game" on the cheap side. Then you want more. Soon you come to realize you should have saved longer and/or spent more for something else.

This is nothing new and really not a mistake, rather a learning curve purchase.

The mistake comes into play when you start adding small expensive parts in increments to compensate for something better.

Many have been down this road. Eventually you sell the gun for a bit of a loss in exchange for something better and chalk it up to experience.

Allow me to copy and paste a quote from Good Old John Ruskin:

"It's unwise to pay too much ... but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money ... that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bough to do.
The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot. It can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run. And if you do that, you will have enough to pay for something better."
 
easy said:
You know how it goes? ... You buy a gun being in a hurry to get "into the game" on the cheap side. Then you want more. Soon you come to realize you should have saved longer and/or spent more for something else.

This is nothing new and really not a mistake, rather a learning curve purchase.

The mistake comes into play when you start adding small expensive parts in increments to compensate for something better.

Many have been down this road. Eventually you sell the gun for a bit of a loss in exchange for something better and chalk it up to experience.
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Don't under estimate my ability to be stubborn...often in the face of facts to prove I am wrong :D
 
I had the same problem but mine ended up being every second mag or so more with Magpuls P mags.

Mine was the actual bolt catch too much slop in the catch itself so i welded a little on the right side of the catch then filed it down to move the catch closer in on the follower of the mags. It worked for me.

By the way I never had a problem before installing the BAD lever with the bolt catch, it just puts a little pressure on the bolt catch that makes a difference in some lowers.
 
jmiddy said:
I had the same problem but mine ended up being every second mag or so more with Magpuls P mags.

Mine was the actual bolt catch too much slop in the catch itself so i welded a little on the right side of the catch then filed it down to move the catch closer in on the follower of the mags. It worked for me.

By the way I never had a problem before installing the BAD lever with the bolt catch, it just puts a little pressure on the bolt catch that makes a difference in some lowers.
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Yeah, I didn't try other mags like my LARs or the stock Norcs (just emergency spares to me anyway)

I didn't mention that it worked on one Pmag. Doesn't really matter, I need something that works on all and I don't want have to replace all my mags. Big PITA.

Thanks for the tip on the Bolt Catch. I will take a harder look at mine and maybe try replacing. I assume they are not big $$$.

I think I will try a 9mm buffer too to slow down the BCG. My local gun smith says they have them in stock so what the heck. I'll try one thing, then another to see if either or both help.
 
Quick way to see if its the bolt catch, does your bad lever when installed move side to side! Mine moved about 4-6 degrees before fixing now it only moves very little.
 
Blaxun I bought a Bad of you and had the same problem I fixed it with some welding on the right side of the bolt catch. My lower had too much play lateraly with the bolt catch and it was more pronounced with the Bad lever installed.
 
blaxsun said:
Do share. I haven't heard of any issues with bolts failing to lock back due to certain types of PMAGs or BAD levers on any other AR platform, but this is always good information to know.
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I mean the BAD lever's specifically. My PMAG's have been flawless.

I had an older Armalite M15 I tested my first BAD lever, and it had issues fully opening AND closing. It wouldn't lock very well (always bumped loose very easily), and had almost no over travel for closing the bolt. I ended up shaving down the paddles a little and making sure it was super tight, and it worked fine. This is the only problem I've had with the three BAD-type levers I own (two BAD's, one BAL by Tac Link).
 
blaxsun said:
Curious. I wonder if it's the backplate that slips behind the bolt release for installation that's causing the issues?
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I can't see that being the issue here.If the backing plate were binding against the reciever, I would think it would be more likely to affect releasing of the catch, not activation.

The arm rubbing the reciever around the trigger would be more likely to affect the catch engaging....I think
 
jmiddy said:
Quick way to see if its the bolt catch, does your bad lever when installed move side to side! Mine moved about 4-6 degrees before fixing now it only moves very little.
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Yup, I've go wiggle in the catch. The catch is either too narrow providing too much slope in the receiver or the hole for the roll pin is too big. A likely suspect I would think, and relatively cheap to try as far as replacements go.
 
I noticed when i was trying to figure mine out i took the upper off and inserted empty mags into the lower and was looking at the bolt catch looking at where it contacts the magazine follower.

I noticed when i had GI mags and the RRA 10rd'r in the mag catch contact on the follower was good.

With P-mags it was right on the edge of the follower, hence when i altered my bolt catch the contact area was much better.

If you cant get it going I can make you up a altered bolt catch all you have to do is use a caliper to get the lower reciever bolt catch specs (the distance of the gap) on your lower and ill weld one up for you!!!!
 
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