RFB initial thoughts, Range report ***JANUARY 31st ammo test at bottom of OP***
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Fair enough lol. Anything is for sale for the right price. I put 20 rounds of soft nose cheap winchester through her at my local range, 40 yards, indoor from a rest. I was grouping over an inch. Dont take that as a slight on the rifle as it was entirely my over excited and poor shooting. The first thing I noticed was that the trigger is a million times better than that of the Tavor.
Going to try again tomorrow with some different loads and reload on site.
The trigger is decent on the RFB. Better than the Tavor, although my Tavor trigger seems better than most even without the spring being removed. Also in terms of length, the RFB as noted in the above pictures is slightly shorter than the Tavor, it's shorter than my non restricted CX4 storm, and appears to be the same length as a non restricted PS90. My PS90 is restricted so I just guessed looking at the lengths that they may be very close. That's how compact these things are.
I'm getting used to the ergonomics. I don't mind them at all. That being said the ergonomics on the Tavor are better with the mag and bolt release.
We need more accuracy shooting and results!!! The quest for sub moa continues....
The trigger is decent on the RFB. Better than the Tavor, although my Tavor trigger seems better than most even without the spring being removed. Also in terms of length, the RFB as noted in the above pictures is slightly shorter than the Tavor, it's shorter than my non restricted CX4 storm, and appears to be the same length as a non restricted PS90. My PS90 is restricted so I just guessed looking at the lengths that they may be very close. That's how compact these things are.
I'm getting used to the ergonomics. I don't mind them at all. That being said the ergonomics on the Tavor are better with the mag and bolt release.
We need more accuracy shooting and results!!! The quest for sub moa continues....
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Looks like my un-tuned 400 dollar norc m14 shoots as good....
matty86suk, your M14 is nowhere near as cool... Neither is mine... The RFB is in a galaxy of it's own!
Now, I KNEW there was a reason I always liked Varget!!! That accuracy is looking much more acceptable!!!
Cheers
Jay
P.S. My Tavor wants to be an RFB "when it grows up"...
Looks like my un-tuned 400 dollar norc m14 shoots as good....
ouch.....
I guess we have to pay a little more for something that isn't the same size and weight as a fence post.
I'd rather go hunting with an AR-10 but this is Canada.
Looks like my un-tuned 400 dollar norc m14 shoots as good....
ouch.....
I guess we have to pay a little more for something that isn't the same size and weight as a fence post.
Have to admit, very fond of the AR10 !!!
.I just want to point out, that shooting from the bench isn't the bullpup forte. Shooting off hand is where these things shine. We're only shooting the RFB on the bench to find what it likes. These weren't bought to be bench rifles.
Throttle_monkey1
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Looks like my un-tuned 400 dollar norc m14 shoots as good....
Please post some of your groups, obviously epoxy and fireball are doing it wrong.
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matty86suk, your M14 is nowhere near as cool... Neither is mine... The RFB is in a galaxy of it's own!
Now, I KNEW there was a reason I always liked Varget!!! That accuracy is looking much more acceptable!!!
Cheers
Jay
P.S. My Tavor wants to be an RFB "when it grows up"...
I like the RFB, wish i could justify the cost verus something a bit more accurate and proven.....Maybe for my mid-life crisis i will buy one....
ouch.....
I guess we have to pay a little more for something that isn't the same size and weight as a fence post.
I'd rather go hunting with an AR-10 but this is Canada.
same weight and size of a fence post...HAHAHA...2 guys 69ing is less ### than this statement....
....I would love an AR10 for deer hunting and target shootingIt's no secret how out of the box m14s shoot, i think there must be ten thousand in canada, how many RFBs have made into canada, maybe some shoot better than others????
same weight and size of a fence post...HAHAHA...2 guys 69ing is less ### than this statement....
You're just jealous that you didn't think of it first.
I'm begining to wonder this myself.
The Varget produced some really strange 2 metric moa(60mm) verticle strings that deviated by only 12mm(1/2") horizontally.
Hmmm - Any solidly backed info on how tight groups statesiders are getting their RFB's to shoot at? I would think the RFB would perform better - just a thought, but using the barrel as the main "spine" to the gun as a bullpup makes this gun a whole different creature for tuning and accurizing. I suspect it'll take a lot of knowledgeable people testing and playing with these guns before we start understanding how bullpups can be made into tack drivers.
Don't give too much thought to how or why groups form the shape that they do or you will drive yourself nuts. 5 round groups are ok, but they are still small statistically.
Also, pay close attention to the first shot out of each magazine; does that first shot always seem to go off the same direction every time? With my M14 if I were to fire the first round from every magazine at one target and the other rounds at other targets, the target with all the first round shots produces a tighter group than the others. For this reason I like to shoot 6 round groups with semi autos, always identifying the first shot.
Also, pay close attention to the first shot out of each magazine; does that first shot always seem to go off the same direction every time? With my M14 if I were to fire the first round from every magazine at one target and the other rounds at other targets, the target with all the first round shots produces a tighter group than the others. For this reason I like to shoot 6 round groups with semi autos, always identifying the first shot.
I am not the only one to experience this phenomenon - I think it is fairly common amongst the M14 family.
I don't know for sure, but I guess chambering a round by releasing the bolt stop is more consistent than the chambering done by the gas blowing the bolt back. This may be unique to the M14 though.
And no I don't clean between mag changes, in fact any time I shoot groups for accuracy testing I always fire a few rounds first to make sure the barrel is consistently dirty. It also helps me settle into 'the grove' of precision shooting.
I don't know for sure, but I guess chambering a round by releasing the bolt stop is more consistent than the chambering done by the gas blowing the bolt back. This may be unique to the M14 though.
And no I don't clean between mag changes, in fact any time I shoot groups for accuracy testing I always fire a few rounds first to make sure the barrel is consistently dirty. It also helps me settle into 'the grove' of precision shooting.
Actually it's very proven. That may be why were hitting an accuracy wall. The action is the same principle as the SVT40 and FN fal. Tilting block short piston. The SVT40 was withdrawn from sniper duty due to vertical stringing even though some snipers had tremendous sucess with them. Also how accurate was the FN FAL?
Well keep trying different rounds but I think looking at reviews on accurizing the Fal type rifles will be our best bet.
This also brings us to another point. The accuracy is inline with a battle rifle. Chrome lined barrel with tilting block action isn't what you'd normally see for a DM or sniper rifle.
Well see.
I figure if you can get 1 moa out of it your probably doing pretty good!It isn't a precision rifle after all.I would imagine load development would be the biggest factor towards getting some decent groups.Looks like fun!I'd like to shoot one in service rifle competition just for ####s and giggles!
Has anyone tried any 168gr Amax bullets yet? If not would someone mind loading and trying a few? I tried some today and had some feeding issues. For reference I was using Lapua brass, IMR 4895, Federal Match Large Rifle primers with an OAL of 2.800".
edit... I don't want to give too much info on my load development today because my feeding issues caused some real problems and the results would not be representative. That being said, I shot 6 round groups from 40.5 - 42.5gr powder in 0.5gr increments, remember Lapua brass is heavier and therefore has a smaller case capacity than cheaper brass. The best group by far was at 41.5gr and was somewhere around 1.286" - but it was only a 5 round group since I counted one shot as a flyer when I was expecting I had missed chambering a round and quickly pulled the trigger - oops. This was also at 114 yards which would mathematically translate into a 1.128" 100 yard group
Something that I am sure helped is measuring all charges on an Acculab scale which is accurate to 0.02gr, and any charges which I was unsure of I reweighed. I had hoped to be able to neck size only (yes its a semi auto, but it works for the M14 so...), but I need to figure out my reliability issues first. If I do get to neck size only, if the Tavor is any indication, I will see quite a gain in accuracy.
edit... I don't want to give too much info on my load development today because my feeding issues caused some real problems and the results would not be representative. That being said, I shot 6 round groups from 40.5 - 42.5gr powder in 0.5gr increments, remember Lapua brass is heavier and therefore has a smaller case capacity than cheaper brass. The best group by far was at 41.5gr and was somewhere around 1.286" - but it was only a 5 round group since I counted one shot as a flyer when I was expecting I had missed chambering a round and quickly pulled the trigger - oops. This was also at 114 yards which would mathematically translate into a 1.128" 100 yard group
Something that I am sure helped is measuring all charges on an Acculab scale which is accurate to 0.02gr, and any charges which I was unsure of I reweighed. I had hoped to be able to neck size only (yes its a semi auto, but it works for the M14 so...), but I need to figure out my reliability issues first. If I do get to neck size only, if the Tavor is any indication, I will see quite a gain in accuracy.
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