1894......25-35.....

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This came from a fellow Nutzz and it has been established that there have been some changes to this old girl. It dates back to 1895 or 1897 depending on who's source of info you use. Five digit serial number starting in the 2's. Couple of photos of her.


It has been determined that the barrel is not original and I agree with this.
There was talk somewhere in this electronic world that the bottom of the rifled
barrel where it meets the receiver is a machined flat spot and on this is supposed to be a date. My curiosity couldn't take it any more and I managed to get the receiver barrel and fore wood off with out dasterdous means. This is what I found that brought me to do up this post.



Here's another one of the stamp.



The letters are C.M.S.
Anyone know what they stand for?
The next are the caliber......25-35.
After this is a triangle on it's belly with a * symbol.
Any comments on these two marks?
And the last is the number......32..........which I am guessing to be the
year 1932 when the barrel was replaced.
Comments on this barrel replacement with history on the markings would be greatly appreciated.
I had it out and she is definately a good shooter.
Lastly, I took a picture of a 30-30 brass necked down to this 25-35 caliber.
It does work quite well. Tad long, just needs to be cut to length.



I have the Lee case length gauge set up and I couldn't find one in this caliber. I cut five necked down 30-30 brass and used my 250-3000 case length pilot. It is a bit short but I cut the brass a bit and measured and cut and measured, you get the idea. This was just out and out painful to do, time wise. I study my Hornady book and found the 257 Roberts is as close to a pilot as I could determine and our local store just happened to have one. My buddy has a lathe and as I type this, a new 25-35 case length gauge set up is being created. I couldn't find any flat nose Hornady 117 grain bullets so I just used my 75 grain Hornady that I use in my 250-3000. For one round at a time it works. Fun little lever to shoot.
This old girl has me tickled. :p
Cheers, Looky.
 
Interesting piece, and a cool find.

Sure looks like a barrel much later than 5-digit production - the ramp front sight and barrel band location is symptomatic of something post-1930 or so.

I'll be curious to see what you find out.
 
CMS are either someone's initials or "Chrome Moly Steel" and if it's the latter, the barrel is relatively recent.
 
Nice old rifle. I think the C.M.S. is stamped by hand and likely a former owner's or gunsmiths initials. Looks like it began life as a rifle and was reborn as a carbine. I would like to have one as well. The 32 is the barrel manufacture year as you suspected. If you are real curious you could get a factory letter and find out the original configuration and possibly whether the rebarrel was done at the factory. In those days it wasn't uncommon to return rifles to Winchester for rework.
 
Mike Webb said:
Nice old rifle. I think the C.M.S. is stamped by hand and likely a former owner's or gunsmiths initials. Looks like it began life as a rifle and was reborn as a carbine. I would like to have one as well. The 32 is the barrel manufacture year as you suspected. If you are real curious you could get a factory letter and find out the original configuration and possibly whether the rebarrel was done at the factory. In those days it wasn't uncommon to return rifles to Winchester for rework.
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Thanks for your idea on this Mike. I never thought of the reverse angle. It could of quite possibly started as a rifle configuration explaining the rear wood. The wood looks matched other than the light blond color on the left fore wood. Just worn the finish from carrying. Huh, new thoughts on this.
Cheers, looky.
 
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