Three People in Norfolk, Ontario Fined. Deer Hunters.
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canadian hunter312
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Brant County
i honestly can't believe that HUNTERS on CGN are actually suggesting that POACHERS should have received lower fines
if someone shoots a deer and gets it to their truck before affixing the tag to the animal, they are basically home free and can take the animal home without tagging it. then they'll still have a tag and will be able to shoot another deer without the risk of getting busted. the law says that you must attach the tag once you get to the animal and it's really that simple. waiting until you start transporting the animal from the kill site would be good enough for me though. as for ontario deer tags getting ripped off during transport...nice excuse
the fines in this case should be doubled as there was 3 guys and not one of them had enough sense to attach a tag while transporting deer beside a VERY well traveled road.
hopefully the next thread about poachers being fined is about the guys i reported last month with unbelievable details. the poachers didn't have a clue that i was a mere 30 yards away for the entire thing. but, i can't give too many details on here though, i'm 99% sure one of them is a member on a forum i visit and don't want hi to get spooked...
i honestly can't believe that hunters on cgn are actually suggesting that poachers should have received lower fines
If someone shoots a deer and gets it to their truck before affixing the tag to the animal, they are basically home free and can take the animal home without tagging it. Then they'll still have a tag and will be able to shoot another deer without the risk of getting busted. The law says that you must attach the tag once you get to the animal and it's really that simple. Waiting until you start transporting the animal from the kill site would be good enough for me though. As for ontario deer tags getting ripped off during transport...nice excuse
The fines in this case should be doubled as there was 3 guys and not one of them had enough sense to attach a tag while transporting deer beside a very well traveled road.
Hopefully the next thread about poachers being fined is about the guys i reported last month with unbelievable details. The poachers didn't have a clue that i was a mere 30 yards away for the entire thing. But, i can't give too many details on here though, i'm 99% sure one of them is a member on a forum i visit and don't want hi to get spooked...:kickinthenuts:
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bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
Pretty stiff fines IMO. I wonder what the fines would have been if they didn't have tags at all?
Do you not have a provision for cutting out the month and day of the kill on Ontario tags? Major oversight on the MNR's part if you don't.
I like our system in Manitoba much better;
When a big game kill is made, the hunter must immediately cut
out the month and date of kill on the game tag. If the hunter
maintains actual possession of the animal, affixing the cut out
game tag may be delayed until the animal has been taken to
a means of transportation. Immediately upon reaching such
transportation, the cut out tag must be securely attached to the
big game animal.
This prevents losing the tag while dragging the animal out. If you lose the tag while dragging the animal out, you're off much worse as you were now poaching in the eyes of the law, ie; no tag at all.................nice.
Do you not have a provision for cutting out the month and day of the kill on Ontario tags? Major oversight on the MNR's part if you don't.
I like our system in Manitoba much better;
When a big game kill is made, the hunter must immediately cut
out the month and date of kill on the game tag. If the hunter
maintains actual possession of the animal, affixing the cut out
game tag may be delayed until the animal has been taken to
a means of transportation. Immediately upon reaching such
transportation, the cut out tag must be securely attached to the
big game animal.
This prevents losing the tag while dragging the animal out. If you lose the tag while dragging the animal out, you're off much worse as you were now poaching in the eyes of the law, ie; no tag at all.................nice.
I like your system MUCH better too, it makes absolute sense, this is the reason why it'll never be adopted in Ontario...
Got stopped once at the North Bay check-station, before I started being super careful of the tags. Bull tag was nearly invisible due to being dragged through hell. CO could barely read the info on the card but still let us go. When I questioned to ask what would happen if the card was unreadable, he smirked and said "Oh, we have ways to determine if it's legit". Them's fightin words for an outfit than can barely keep their trucks full of gas...
bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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The only potential problem with that system is "forgetting" to notch the tag and having to quickly do it as the CO's pull you over.
There are still some asses I've heard of here in MB that will attach about a 4 ft. rope from the tag to the animal and feed it through the sliding rear window. Since the law doesn't state how closely the tag needs to be attached, it is quasi legal.
When and if they get checked, they will quickly notch the tag. There's not much a CO can legally do in this instance, but rest assured their vehicle will be gone over with a fine toothed comb and some infraction will be found and any future act of discretion is rightfully nullified.
It isn't a matter of forgetting. I know many hunters that don't tag until before its put on the truck, or on the meat pole at camp. These are older hunters who have done it that way forever, with no intention of not tagging it.
canadian hunter312
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- Brant County
then you have the planning of the hunt, purchasing all of your gear, and spending sometimes thousands of dollars to bag the animal. but, these hunters can't come up with a simple idea and spend $.25 to protect their tag to avoid expensive headaches? it just doesn't make sense to me why anyone BUT a poacher would wait to attach their tag.
attach the tag like normal, but wrap the "flap" around the antler, ear, etc and put a couple zip ties on it to keep it tight to the animal. how about a sandwich bag slipped over the tag to protect it and then tape it up good?
i've never even thought about losing a tag and i came up with 2 fail safe methods in 30 seconds. is it really that hard?
Old or not if they hunt Ontario they are doing it wrong and can be charged!!!I would guess and you can ask some one older than me,in Ontario there has been a tag system for 25 yrs if not longer(old folks chime in)is it to hard for the old people to figure out????Why would you risk you gun, vehicle,fines for something as simple as putting on a tag immediately at the kill site????Unless you are poaching!!!
I have to agree with most of the posters here
There is not one Iota of doubt in my mind that these asshats were poaching. they were not going to attach those tags and everyone here knows it. the ontario tags are durable enough for any reasonable circumstance. Do you really think that a CO can't tell when someone is acting sketchy? please as a peace officer they deal with people who are #1 knowingly breaking the law and #2 people who who have made an honest mistake all the time. Poachers are thieves and liars. A 5 year prohibition would have been correct in this case in my opinion.
There is not one Iota of doubt in my mind that these asshats were poaching. they were not going to attach those tags and everyone here knows it. the ontario tags are durable enough for any reasonable circumstance. Do you really think that a CO can't tell when someone is acting sketchy? please as a peace officer they deal with people who are #1 knowingly breaking the law and #2 people who who have made an honest mistake all the time. Poachers are thieves and liars. A 5 year prohibition would have been correct in this case in my opinion.
- Location
- Eastern Ont.
When i started deer hunting aprox 30 years ago, it was a tag
but it came with a heavy piece of coathanger type wire,
(you had to store the friggin peice of wire in your wallet other wise you would missplace it)
went through the nostrels then tag was attached then notched
emmediatly after the kill.
This was same tag system for bear as well.
Not sure about moose.
I can always remember Ont having the emmediatly tag rule.
In my fathers time, it think it was a cardboard tag with a piece of string LOL
Pathfinder
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Northeast Ontario
Actually I see it the other way around....if you put an untagged animal in your truck and then go about transporting it back to your home or wherever it needs to go that's where it gets dicey.......Around here CO's dont' do a lot of checking in the bush unless there's been a call or they are working a decoy but they do check a lot of hunters at road blocks .
Either way There's no real reason not to tag an animal at the kill site .
I never said they souldn't have been charged. Just thought it was a bit steep. If it wansn't a first offence, or they where known by CO's I see it differently. Like I said there is more to the story, and i tend not to hang people without the whole story.
I was brought up to trust people, and not jump to conclusions on second hand info. Mistrusting people from my experience, are the least trustworthy people.
I was brought up to trust people, and not jump to conclusions on second hand info. Mistrusting people from my experience, are the least trustworthy people.
TheCoachZed
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
i lost the tag off the ear of the first deer I ever shot while dragging it out of the brush. Didn't realize until I got to the tagging station - I was lucky I was able to go back and find it. I tag after I shoot, but now I am very very very careful when dragging out a deer, and I don't know what you'd ever do if you lost the tag at night.
