Newfoundland Coyotes
- Thread starter sealhunter
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- Back in the Peace Country
Is there any reasoning to belive a "new" lineage, cross,... wolf/coyote has not happened?
No, no real reason not to think it cannot happen again or isn't happening as we speak. But we do know this:
1. Wolves do not ordinarily tolerate the presence of coyotes and I expect their 'matings' happen extremely rarely.
2. Coyotes in the western half of the continent generally do not show the same genetic traits (ie. the wolf DNA).
3. In the places where coyotes have spread in the last half century, ie. the northeastern parts of the continent, wolves have all but been extirpated (except in very northern regions). So there would be even less opportunity for the cross breeding to occur.
4. In insular Newfoundland, the subject of this thread, we haven't had any wolves since about 1933. Meanwhile, the coyotes now present here are supposed to be linked to the arrival of three animals (though likely more on separate occasions) in the mid 1980s. So, again no opportunity. (Except for this interesting fact. Coyotes on the Northern Peninsula have been spotted very far out on the ice by Coast Guard ships, almost all the way to southern Labrador. And we know southern Labrador has seen somewhat of a resurgence of wolf presence in the past few years. So, I suppose, if a Labrador wolf met an eastern coyote and the two were able to put aside their differences long enough to do the nasty, a new lineage would result).
5. All of the biology and genetics at work here is not terribly exact; hence the usual term 'canis soup'.
hear ya go Canadian_hunter. Heres a Ontario 55lber I shot a couple weeks ago. He weighted 55lbs on the scale with no hide and no paws. The photowasn't straight on with the scale for the pic, making it look around 50lbs but it was 55.
I'm 5'11" and that coyote is almost touching the ground. Pelt is 70" long with 17" tail.
95lb lab standing over top
I'm 5'11" and that coyote is almost touching the ground. Pelt is 70" long with 17" tail.
95lb lab standing over top
4. In insular Newfoundland, the subject of this thread, we haven't had any wolves since about 1933. Meanwhile, the coyotes now present here are supposed to be linked to the arrival of three animals (though likely more on separate occasions) in the mid 1980s. So, again no opportunity. (Except for this interesting fact. Coyotes on the Northern Peninsula have been spotted very far out on the ice by Coast Guard ships, almost all the way to southern Labrador. And we know southern Labrador has seen somewhat of a resurgence of wolf presence in the past few years. So, I suppose, if a Labrador wolf met an eastern coyote and the two were able to put aside their differences long enough to do the nasty, a new lineage would result).
The three we sent you pic below from Cape Breton already had the wolf blood in them from breeding in Quebec.They did not walk to the rock they are cape bretoners which as you know are too lazy ( or smart) for that. They took the ferry.
The three we sent you pic below from Cape Breton already had the wolf blood in them from breeding in Quebec.They did not walk to the rock they are cape bretoners which as you know are too lazy ( or smart) for that. They took the ferry.
Agree 100% but in all honesty they have changed in size and their ways since we first seen them in the 80's and I am not the only one seeing it. This was discussed on another local hunting form also. Too many I think being allowed to live in towns getting too comfortable with man and god knows what they breed with. There are reports here of a group with a german shepard running with them. I know before we had coyote it was common to see packs of wild domestic dogs when hunting which we never see today..
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- Location
- Brant County
dvxdude, nice yote . from what i've seen around these parts, that is slightly larger than average. but, it's still a far cry from the 70-80 pounders that are being reported.
all i'm saying is i'd like to see some pics of these monster yotes and then i'll gladly agree. but, all ya ever get is "so and so said it weighed this much" or "we estimated that it weighed that much". random articles posted on the net aren't really that believable either as we all know reporters often make mistakes about important info and will write anything for a good story. then you have edited pics on top of that.
it just seems weird to me that all of these monster yotes are getting shot, but pics aren't getting posted.
that's quite the 3some we have going on there
. from what i've seen around these parts, that is slightly larger than average. but, it's still a far cry from the 70-80 pounders that are being reported.all i'm saying is i'd like to see some pics of these monster yotes and then i'll gladly agree. but, all ya ever get is "so and so said it weighed this much" or "we estimated that it weighed that much". random articles posted on the net aren't really that believable either as we all know reporters often make mistakes about important info and will write anything for a good story. then you have edited pics on top of that.
it just seems weird to me that all of these monster yotes are getting shot, but pics aren't getting posted.
that's quite the 3some we have going on there
my cousins kill about 20-50 coyotes every year using hounds. They weight every dog they get. There biggest is 46lbs and smallest is 25 so far this year. Average is like 32-35lbs.
I think the biggest they've ever killed as 56lbs. Same block as I got this one out of. Its a deer yarding area and they are running deer like crazy right now.
I think the biggest they've ever killed as 56lbs. Same block as I got this one out of. Its a deer yarding area and they are running deer like crazy right now.
Has there been any reports from those programs. That would be interesting to read
- Location
- Back in the Peace Country
They.......
brought in the coyote to eat the shrew, they brought in the shrew to eat the worm, ... I don't know why, the shrew eate the worm, perhaps he'll die.
hey brought in the wolf to eat teh coyote, they brought in the coyote o eat the shrew, they brought in the shrew to eat the worm, I don't know why...he ate the worm, perhaps he'll dies.
and they,
Brought in the water monitor to eat to the wolf, and they brought in the/.....
brought in the coyote to eat the shrew, they brought in the shrew to eat the worm, ... I don't know why, the shrew eate the worm, perhaps he'll die.
hey brought in the wolf to eat teh coyote, they brought in the coyote o eat the shrew, they brought in the shrew to eat the worm, I don't know why...he ate the worm, perhaps he'll dies.
and they,
Brought in the water monitor to eat to the wolf, and they brought in the/.....
I attended a wildlife seminar on coyotes last night. They basically said some of the same stuff CV32 is saying.....lots of people talking about monster coyotes but of the 3000+ animals they have captured/had turned in, only 1 or 2 was bigger than 50lbs. The average was approx 35 lbs for female and 38 pounds for male.
They also showed the gps coordinates on a map of one that was collared and later shot. It showed he wandered waaaaay out in the straight of belle isle (about half way across) and later returned to land and was shot by a hunter who turned in the gps collar.
They also showed the gps coordinates on a map of one that was collared and later shot. It showed he wandered waaaaay out in the straight of belle isle (about half way across) and later returned to land and was shot by a hunter who turned in the gps collar.
- Location
- Cochran, Alberta.
DVX DUDE - what was the whole weight with hide and all?
